Fred, Without any hat, I share Joe's concerns about the use of HbH (but I guess that those IP parcels are intended to be used on a set of collaborative nodes for some definitions of 'limited domains') and I will had another one for all devices on the path wanting to do something (from ACL to QoS or ...) based on the L4 information.
Anyway, if not yet done, then I suggest to cross post this announcement to the TSVWG as well. Finally, thank you for keeping thinking out-of-the-box Regards -éric From: Int-area <int-area-boun...@ietf.org> on behalf of "to...@strayalpha.com" <to...@strayalpha.com> Date: Saturday, 18 December 2021 at 03:01 To: "Templin (US), Fred L" <fred.l.temp...@boeing.com> Cc: "int-area@ietf.org" <int-area@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [Int-area] IP parcels Hi, Fred, I’m first concerned at the use of an IP option at all, due to the problems with *any* options forcing processing to slow-path. From TCP’s viewpoint, it seems like you’ve just created a nightmare for SACK and ECN, basically because you will encourage drops of large bursts of packets. This will also increase the bustiness of TCP, i.e., rather than letting the ACKs support pacing. Any part of the system that currently coalesces TCP packets is likely to generate errors here, because they might see only the first TCP segment. However, AFAICT the most significant consideration is that the issue with per-packet performance is at the TCP and UDP layers, not as much at the IP layer. So what problem is this trying to solve? Joe — Joe Touch, temporal epistemologist www.strayalpha.com<http://www.strayalpha.com> On Dec 17, 2021, at 5:06 PM, Templin (US), Fred L <fred.l.temp...@boeing.com<mailto:fred.l.temp...@boeing.com>> wrote: Here's one that should help with shipping, just in time for Christmas. Thanks to everyone for the past and future list exchanges. Fred -----Original Message----- From: I-D-Announce [mailto:i-d-announce-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-dra...@ietf.org<mailto:internet-dra...@ietf.org> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 5:00 PM To: i-d-annou...@ietf.org<mailto:i-d-annou...@ietf.org> Subject: I-D Action: draft-templin-intarea-parcels-00.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : IP Parcels Author : Fred L. Templin Filename : draft-templin-intarea-parcels-00.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2021-12-17 Abstract: IP packets (both IPv4 and IPv6) are understood to contain a unit of data which becomes the retransmission unit in case of loss. Upper layer protocols such as the Transmission Control Protocol (TCP) prepare data units known as "segments", with traditional arrangements including a single segment per packet. This document presents a new construct known as the "IP Parcel" which permits a single packet to carry multiple segments. The parcel can be opened at middleboxes on the path with the included segments broken out into individual packets, then rejoined into one or more repackaged parcels to be forwarded further toward the final destination. Reordering of segments within parcels is unimportant; what matters is that the number of parcels delivered to the final destination should be kept to a minimum, and that loss or receipt of individual segments (and not parcel size) determines the retransmission unit. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-templin-intarea-parcels/ There is also an htmlized version available at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-templin-intarea-parcels-00 Internet-Drafts are also available by rsync at rsync.ietf.org::internet-drafts _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list i-d-annou...@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt _______________________________________________ Int-area mailing list Int-area@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area
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