Hopefully this longish post will not be TLTR as I've seen happen from time to time. I am sorry for the windyness, but having a bit of trouble describing what I want to know ... more briefly.
------- ------- ---=--- ------- ------- Recently started using gnus-agent again after a very long hiatus. I'm getting confused about the repercussions of or differences between a group whos server is agentized, but when the group itself is not agentized. It seems that gnus behaves as if groups are agentized, that is, the face on new message appears completely different than it did before.. but the same as in agentized groups. Further; any messages I read are kept .. as if the group were agentized. But the real rub comes if I tell the agent do download un-read posts. That starts a massive pull on reading even when there's only maybe only dozens or at most a couple hundred new messages in agentized groups. gnus appears to be downloading from groups that are not agentized. But that groups server is agentized. For example, I have 38 agentized groups across 3 servers. But when I check all the directories under News/agent I find 44 groups with some number of messages. I'm loath to run a serious test, like for example pressing `J s' in group buffer (‘gnus-agent-fetch-session’) and just `let 'er rip' for fear that gnus will try to download from all groups under the agentized server whether or not such groups are actually themselves agentized. If the new setup of gmane is similar to the old one under `larsi' then it is possible to become blackballed from gmane ... and if that happened I'm not sure there would be any timely way to resolve that. Years ago that happened to me more than once, but was resolvable by direct appeal on `gmane.discuss'. And fairly timely too. There is also `J u' to use but I'm not totally clear on the difference.. I mean other than that J u applies to current group only. I guess one might be able to process mark all the agentized groups and use `J u' but that also seems to invoke a hefty read of many many lines of something. Again loath to let it play out. Here is a fear I have: Currenly I've slowly downloaded many thousands of posts. But, I've done it only to a point ... for example in a Foreign server (Used to hopefully avoid any excessive use of gmane): nntp+enews.newsguy.com/gnu/emacs/help 59900 Nearly 60,000... but there are many many thousands more even older ... Depending on what; `Fetch all eligible articles in the current group' means exactly. That is, if non-downloaded posts is considered `eligible' then gnus might try to download the reported 300,000+ still on that group that I have not downloaded (and do not wish to download). The doc string on gnus-agent-fetch-groups (`J u' in group buffer) Appears to be pretty clear `Put all new articles in the current groups into the Agent' I doubt `new' might describe the other thousands of undownloaded posts on the example group. But, I'd like to know for sure. The doc string on `gnus-agent-fetch-session' (`J s' in group buffer)is a good bit more ambiguous `Fetch all articles and headers that are eligible for fetching' Here, `eligible' might easily mean those other thousands of posts available in the example group. For those reasons I'd like some clarity What `J s' means in practice? What `J u' means in practice? What difference is there in a group that is not agentized but its server is, compared to a group where both server and group are agentized? To get the desired result in the case I described should I be just agentizing groups but not servers? How would that effect `J s' and `J u'? _______________________________________________ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
