Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 02:11:28 -0700
   From: David Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   Cc: info-cyrus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

   Please educate me, I do not understand.

    > Please use pwcheck.  Your problems will go away.

   The pwcheck distributed with cyrus-sasl is not useful to me. My users 
   are not in /etc/passwd -- they are ONLY in an LDAP database. Even a 
   pwcheck daemon that uses LDAP is only useful to me <if> it does LDAP-SSL 
   -- I need password traffic encyrpted over the network. pam_ldap does 
   this nicely, so any pwcheck daemon that did all this would basically be 
   re-implementing the functionality of pam_ldap. Can you kindly point me 
   to a pwcheck daemon that just calls PAM?

Such things exist.  Please search the list archives or use Google.

   > PAM does not do network authentication.  PAM does not solve the
   > problems under consideration.

   What do you mean by "network authentication"? If you mean a ticket 
   system so that users need only authenticte themselves once, it most 
   certainly does, via Kerberos. If you mean certifying the identity of the 
   client and server machines, pam_ldap and OpenLDAP can do that. What 
   exactly is the problem under consideration that (given the appropriate 
   modules) PAM doesn't solve?

IMAP needs to do secure authentication over the wire.

For instance, imapd needs to do a secure Kerberos authentication---not
checking a password against a Kerberos server, but doing a real
authentication.

PAM provides no mechanisms for doing this.

Larry

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