Dear colleagues,
Thank you for your responses and suggestions.
I will make an effort to find out with Hollinek whether they actually
still have some copies of vols. 1-5 (which I doubt, or if any, doubt
they will be able to find in their holdings), and with Brill for volumes
12 to 14.
When I joined the ISTB in 1999, I was able to grab the last volumes of 3
and 14 for myself. Tf Hollinek and Brill would reply in the negative,
1-5 and 12-14 would indeed be out of print.
The copyright has always been with the publisher, not with the authors.
Fortunately, the vast majority of them is still with us, and those who
are not have not yet passed away for 60 years.
With best regards,
Karin Preisendanz
Am 31.07.2023 10:28, schrieb Antonio Ferreira-Jardim:
Dear Professor Silk,
Apropos the Journal Asiatique, I've had great success contacting the
Société directly to provide high quality scans of articles. The
contact email I have used on file (contact at societe-asiatique.fr)
has worked well.
With regard to the pre-1991 WZKS volumes, I believe that it's likely
the case legally that unless copyright was specifically assigned to
the authors then it would be presumed to reside with the publishers up
to 60 years after the death of the author. The question is, would the
publishers (or their legal successors) enforce copyright if scans of
the out of print volumes appeared in the public space?
Regardless, it's wonderful to know that most of the old volumes are
still available from the STB at the UW at such affordable prices!
Thank you very much Prof Preisendanz!!!
Kind regards,
Antonio
On Mon, 31 July 2023, 6:11 pm Jonathan Silk via INDOLOGY,
<[email protected]> wrote:
Dear Friends,
As a footnote, and perhaps a slim chance of creating a window (??),
I recall very clearly discussions I had quite some time ago with
Prof Saito Akira about the _Japanese Journal of Indian and Buddhist
Studies_ (IBK). The reasoning in the beginning was that the
copyright for all articles in the journal rested with the authors,
and therefore it would not be possible to place on line those
contributions for which permission could not be obtained. This of
course would be impossible, all the more so as contributors to the
earlier volumes were in many cases no longer among us.
I do not know how they resolved the question, but not so many years
after our conversation (I don't recall how long it took) everything
appeared online, and in a wonderful fashion, quite unlike --still a
scandal I think-- what one sees from France with the _Journal
Asiatique_, for instance, which is often virtually illegible.
Also by the way, the IBK scans are linked to the inbuds.net [1]
database, which while not perfect is searchable in many ways, and is
a genuinely great beginning to not only making bibliography
available but linking it to scans, in some cases-- along with the
CiNii database (https://cir.nii.ac.jp/), this is a more than good
model for making such material accessible, since unlike jstor etc
the inbuds database also has keywords and the like.
Anyway, with regard to the French situation, perhaps Matthew could
motivate some of his contacts in Paris to bring to bear modern
technology on that currently difficult matter. Reading scans from
Gallica sometimes evokes nightmares of trying to read the old b/w
microfilms of the Narthang Kanjur...
best,
Jonathan
On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 12:08 AM Karin.Preisendanz via INDOLOGY
<[email protected]> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
Thank you for your interest.
I had responded to Matthew immediately after he had sent his
inquiry.
Here is a slightly abbreviated version of my reply to him back
then.
***
The pre-1991 volumes are not available in scanned form. Even
though in
2013 I spent a lot of (eventually wasted) time on this matter,
together
with the legal department of the Austrian Academy of Sciences
(inasmuch
as its publishing house is functioning as publisher since 1991),
the
Academy finally withdrew from the project of making the earlier
volumes
available on JSTOR because of 1) the demand of an inordinate
amount of
money by the still-extant successor of the Vienna publishing house
Hollinek that had published the earliest volumes (and, of course,
long
forgotten about this until the inquiry came), and 2) their
reluctance to
get into complicated negotations with Brill which was subsequently
acting as international "publisher on commission" until the
Academy
publishing house took over in 1991, together with Vienna-based
Gerold,
the second "publisher on commission", which is, however,
definitely
defunct.
To my knowledge, Brill never responded to the inquiry by the
Academy.
The former Department of Indology (succeeded by the Department of
South
Asian, Tibetan and Buddhist Studies) of the University of Vienna
was the
main copyrighted publisher back then, but my (or the University's)
consent would not have been sufficient from the legal point of
view to
provided scanned versions of the volumes before 1991. Even though
no
online publications existed at the time the contracts were drawn
up with
Hollinek and Brill, the agreed-upon rights for analogue
publication (in
the latter case: the international dissemination of printed copies
on
commission) would automatically apply to any future, different
types of
publication.
In the end, the Academy decided that they would not pursue the
matter
further as the volumes were not published by them in the first
place and
because it did not see much of a benefit for itself if these
volumes
were available on JSTOR at their cost. The task of negotiating
with
Hollinek and Brill would be up to JSTOR whose request had actually
started our deliberations. This was communicated to JSTOR, but I
have
not heard from them again.
However, almost all back-issues of the Journal are still available
in
perfect condition for sale by the Department; please refer to
https://stb.univie.ac.at/publikationsreihen/wiener-zeitschrift-fuer-die-kunde-suedasiens-wzks/bestellung/
or
https://stb.univie.ac.at/en/publication-series/vienna-journal-of-south-asian-studies-wzks/order/.
I would be delighted to arrange for these volumes to be sent to
you or
your library.
***
With best regards,
Karin Preisendanz
Am 29.07.2023 22:27, schrieb Oliver Fallon via INDOLOGY:
Matthew Kapstein sent this enquiry about the WZKS almost two
years
ago, but it does not seem to have had a reply.
I'm sure many of us would like to access early numbers of this
journal. Does anyone know if there has been any progress in
making
them available?
With thanks,
Oliver
On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 at 20:35, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY
<[email protected]> wrote:
Dear friends,
From 1991 on the WZKS is available on JSTOR.
Is there a accessible source for scanned copies of the pre-1991
issues?
with thanks in advance,
Matthew
Matthew Kapstein
Directeur d'études, émérite
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris
Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
The University of Chicago
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