Dear Martin,
is the meaning 'army' for tantra (and 'soldier' for tantrin) explainable
on historical or etymological grounds, or is it even explained by
Sanskrit commentators?
Christian
Am 04.07.2022 05:52, schrieb Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY:
Thank you, Patricia, that's one place I hadn't looked. The meaning
'commander of (a subdvision of) an army', particularly the infantry,
was also suggested privately by Walter Slaje and is almost certainly
correct. The meaning 'army' for tantra (and 'soldier' for tantrin) is
found in most dictionaries, but Walter tells me it is very common in
the Rājataraṅgiṇīs of Kalhaṇa, Jonarāja, Śrīvara and Śuka,
the first of which is roughly right for the period and geographic area
that I'm interested in. Thanks to all who replied to my query!
Best wishes,
Martin
Den 2022-07-04 kl. 03:17, skrev Patricia Sauthoff:
The Indian Epigraphical Glossary [1] gives tantrapāla [2] as "chief
of the army" and other high level positions of protector of kings,
which seems to fit your verse.
On Sun, Jul 3, 2022 at 1:40 AM Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY
<[email protected]> wrote:
I wonder if anyone knowledgeable about (north)western India
around the 13th century might have an idea about how the epithet
tantrapāla should be understood in that context? I am looking at
these two verses from an astrological text:
kasya samīpe candro ravimuthaśilage nṛpatipārśve |
śaninā ca muthaśile ’smin nīcānām ijyamuthaśile ca satām
||
śukreṇa ca yuvatīnāṃ jñena vyavahāripaṇḍitānāṃ ca
|
bhaumena <ca> śatrūṇāṃ krūreśānāṃ ca tantrapālānām
||
'In whose company is the moon? If it forms a _muthaśila _[Ar.
_muttaṣil_, applying aspect] with the sun, [the querent travels]
at the side of the king; if it has a _muthaśila _with Saturn, [at
the side] of low people, and if a _muthaśila _with Jupiter, of
good people; with Venus, of women; with Mercury, with merchants
and scholars; with Mars, of his enemies, cruel lords and
_tantrapālas_.'
The standard dictionaries failling me, I did a simple web search,
which turned up some suggestions; but the present context seems to
call for something more warlike, violent and/or sinister than just
'high official' or 'secretary of council'.
Thanks in advance for any thoughts,
Martin Gansten
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