Thank you Sheila. Saroj Kasaju
On Wed, Feb 11, 2026 at 5:04 PM 'PlantaholicSheila' via eFloraofIndia < [email protected]> wrote: > Dear sir, > How extremely kind of you to add so much info about this plant. > I am just thrilled! > > It was found in Equador! > I believe Ayenia flexuosa fits it pretty well in every way...leaf shape, > fruits, the zig zag green square stem etc. > It seems to have been transferred from *Byttneria flexuosa in 2018.* > https://grokipedia.com/page/ayenia_flexuosa > > I have never heard of Grokipedia before! > > *Grokipedia* is an AI-generated > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generative_artificial_intelligence> online > encyclopedia <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_encyclopedia> operated > by the American company xAI <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XAI_(company)>. > The site was launched on October 27, 2025. > > > *On i nats tlink that you added ....... there is a pic which seems to show > the same green square stem.* > > https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/190040-Byttneria-flexuosa > > I am extremely grateful for your help and time. > THANK YOU. > > Apologies for delay in replying, just home from holiday "Gardens In > Southern India" with Brightwater. > Lots more pics to be id/labelled. > Holiday wonderful but sadly far too short! > warmest wishes. > Sheila. > ================================================= > > On Thursday, 5 February 2026 at 11:41:30 UTC Saroj Kumar Kasaju wrote: > >> *Ayenia flexuosa *(Killip) Christenh. & Byng ?? >> https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:77183809-1 >> https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/912320263 >> >> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.inaturalist.org%2Ftaxa%2F190040-Byttneria-flexuosa&ved=0CBYQjRxqFwoTCLitx6OiwpIDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAK&opi=89978449 >> >> Thank you >> Saroj Kasaju >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: Plantaholic Sheila. <[email protected]> >> Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 12:43:55 AM UTC+5:45 >> Subject: Re: [itpmods:16845] Fwd: [efloraofindia:424053] MYSTERY SHRUB >> 23rd Feb 2022...SS >> To: eFloraofIndia <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> I understand. >> I have also id plants on id forums several years later. >> Some plants can just gnaw away....needing that light bulb moment. >> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 4:07:40 AM UTC+1 JM Garg wrote: >> >> Thanks, Pankaj ji. >> Same happening with Efi. I sometime give identification of a plant posted >> in 2007 i.e. after 15 years and members are surprised to get response after >> 15 years. >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J. M. Garg >> >> On Mon, 30 May, 2022, 8:20 am Pankaj Kumar, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I usually do not check mails attached with the images and then I very >> often miss if there is already a name attached below. But I read this and >> hence, decided to respond to it. >> >> Two things: >> 1. With what you assumed to be enough for identification, even people at >> Wakethrust couldn't reach a solid conclusion. I am just a small potato. >> 2. Having said all those things about yourself, you are underestimating >> yourself if you think you are not a botanist. Once while on a hike with a >> legend, I was told that people are born to do botany, irrespective of them >> being trained or not trained. Few years back one girl sent me a picture of >> a plant which looked like an orchid. I kept that for 5 years thinking it to >> be a new genus because I knew it did not match with any orchid I knew. >> There was nothing I could do with a single pic and I asked her to find it >> again but in vain. And then one day someone sent the image of the same >> plant from Vietnam. I asked my Vietnamese friend to dissect it, only to >> realise that it was not an orchid but a ginger. But for 5 years that plant >> remained in my head as an orchid and when she replied back to the girl she >> was so surprised that I was still looking for an id for her plant after so >> many years. And we became very good friends. >> >> Best of luck. >> Pankaj >> >> >> ----------- >> Thank you......I am EXTREMELY /ACUTELY aware of this. >> Sadly on a cruise the landing may be just 2 hours..time is precious. >> I want to see as much as possible..the landscape, scenery, the birds as >> well as the new to me plants. >> I never have the luxury of spending 10 mins recording each plant...nor >> do I ever carry a note book. >> My tiny point and shoot Canon Ixus camera is all I ever use. >> >> I have been VERY fortunate to visit several very remote places and know I >> will never get a 2nd chance to revisit. >> Even if I did the chance of finding the plant again is remote. >> Which is why I try to be very observant and to take images to aid with id >> later. >> I call it my homework...I take it very seriously. >> I hate to misname any of my pictures. >> Sometimes I take more pics but they are out of focus and have to be >> deleted..everything is a rush on these magical holidays. >> >> I am very aware of taking images to show details . to aid with >> id....such as alternate v opposite leaves/flowers./fruits/bark..any other >> features that back in UK will help me to add an accurate name. >> If plants are vines I take pics of tendrils or twisted stems. >> To my very best recollection this was a free standing shrub/young tree. >> >> My 5 images above I feel are not too bad. .. >> they show alternate leaves, the shape of the leaves, the length of the >> stalks, the veins, the leaf texture above and below, the fruits, the stem >> , the glands. >> I thought this would be so easy to get an instant id. >> Many identifications can be done from a lot less. >> >> At home it is easy..if I need more pics I can pop back to have a closer >> look. >> >> I am at heart a gardener with a passion for plants. >> I try to add to my knowledge on my travels. >> I do not profess to be a botanist...which is why I love forums where >> people far cleverer than me give freely of their time to assist. >> In turn I can often help other with identifications. >> Every day is a school day! >> ------------------- >> >> On Sat, 28 May 2022 at 08:41, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Thanks, Sheila ji >> -- >> With regards, >> J. M. Garg >> >> On Sat, 28 May, 2022, 2:49 am Plantaholic Sheila., <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Many thanks for the help from all in this group! >> >> Nothing ventured nothing gained. >> I had the cheek to write to Kew a good while ago! >> I have just received a very kind, helpful e mail... >> Hurray...after 3 years I have finely got the answer...see below >> It ties in perfectly with Dr Pankaj Kumar answer >> >> >> ................................................................................................. >> >> Quote from Kew. >> "Thank you for your email and I apologise for taking so long to get back >> to you. I haven’t been able to get a definitive answer but one of our >> scientists has said that she thinks it looks most like a Byttneria species >> in the Malvaceae family. >> I hope that helps! >> Kind regards >> *Toni Risebro* >> >> Science Services Support Officer >> >> Science Services and Laboratories >> >> >> Millennium Seed Bank, Wakehurst >> >> Ardingly, Haywards Heath, RH17 6TN" >> ............................................................... >> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 9:43:26 AM UTC+1 Plantaholic Sheila. wrote: >> >> Thank you......I am EXTREMELY /ACUTELY aware of this. >> Sadly on a cruise the landing may be just 2 hours..time is precious. >> I want to see as much as possible..the landscape, scenery, the birds as >> well as the new to me plants. >> I never have the luxury of spending 10 mins recording each plant...nor >> do I ever carry a note book. >> My tiny point and shoot Canon Ixus camera is all I ever use. >> >> I have been VERY fortunate to visit several very remote places and know I >> will never get a 2nd chance to revisit. >> Even if I did the chance of finding the plant again is remote. >> Which is why I try to be very observant and to take images to aid with id >> later. >> I call it my homework...I take it very seriously. >> I hate to misname any of my pictures. >> Sometimes I take more pics but they are out of focus and have to be >> deleted..everything is a rush on these magical holidays. >> >> I am very aware of taking images to show details . to aid with >> id....such as alternate v opposite leaves/flowers./fruits/bark..any other >> features that back in UK will help me to add an accurate name. >> If plants are vines I take pics of tendrils or twisted stems. >> To my very best recollection this was a free standing shrub/young tree. >> >> My 5 images above I feel are not too bad. .. >> they show alternate leaves, the shape of the leaves, the length of the >> stalks, the veins, the leaf texture above and below, the fruits, the stem >> , the glands. >> I thought this would be so easy to get an instant id. >> Many identifications can be done from a lot less. >> >> At home it is easy..if I need more pics I can pop back to have a closer >> look. >> >> I am at heart a gardener with a passion for plants. >> I try to add to my knowledge on my travels. >> I do not profess to be a botanist...which is why I love forums where >> people far cleverer than me give freely of their time to assist. >> In turn I can often help other with identifications. >> Every day is a school day! >> >> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 1:44:33 AM UTC+1 Dr Pankaj Kumar wrote: >> >> I say again, please remember that this genus has lianas too. That's why I >> always say take multiple pics from multiple angles, like Saroj sir. In >> botany please do not take it for granted that you will get a second chance >> to visit the plant to take pictures once again, especially when you are >> travelling. >> Best of luck. >> Pankaj >> >> On Wed, 25 May 2022 at 08:37, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Thanks, Sheila ji >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J. M. Garg >> >> On Wed, 25 May, 2022, 3:17 am Plantaholic Sheila., <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> So sorry. >> Not had a chance to search this. >> Found image on www of Byttneria parviflora..with square stem!!!! >> Still checking. >> Looks hopeful. >> >> https://ecuador.inaturalist.org/taxa/801735-Byttneria-parviflora >> >> >> >> On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 10:01:40 AM UTC+1 Dr Pankaj Kumar wrote: >> >> Look closely! >> >> >> On Saturday, May 21, 2022, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I find the fruits of >> <https://www.google.com/search?q=Byttneria&rlz=1C1SQJL_enIN948IN948&sxsrf=ALiCzsZle5_g374eMi-F2E58pXSL3M7R9Q:1653120082518&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiOl6iakPD3AhVKEIgKHQF2Bu8Q_AUoAXoECAIQAw>Byttneria >> to be a little different >> <https://www.google.com/search?q=Byttneria&rlz=1C1SQJL_enIN948IN948&sxsrf=ALiCzsZle5_g374eMi-F2E58pXSL3M7R9Q:1653120082518&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiOl6iakPD3AhVKEIgKHQF2Bu8Q_AUoAXoECAIQAw> >> . >> >> On Tue, 17 May 2022 at 13:11, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Thanks, Sheila ji >> >> On Tue, 17 May 2022 at 13:03, Plantaholic Sheila. <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Dr Pankaj Kumar >> 6:01 AM (2 hours ago) >> >> to JM Garg, efloraofindia, Plantaholic Sheila. >> One of my friend says this could be Byttneria. Please check the Malvaceae >> database for Africa. >> Pankaj >> ===================================================== >> >> Thank you Dr Pankaj Kumar...this is a new plant to me i will do more >> research. >> ======================================================== >> >> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 8:31:27 AM UTC+1 Plantaholic Sheila. wrote: >> >> From: *Pankaj Kumar* <[email protected] <https://groups.google.com/>> >> Date: Tue, 17 May, 2022, 6:20 am >> Subject: Re: [itpmods:16846] Fwd: [efloraofindia:422794] MYSTERY SHRUB >> 23rd Feb 2022...SS >> To: itpmods <[email protected] <https://groups.google.com/>> >> >> >> Are you sure it is not a climber? >> ===================================================== >> >> Thank you for your interest and for asking. >> My memory of it was as a shrub.young tree. >> It showed no sign of being a climber..no tendrils/no signs of twisting >> branches. >> Had it done that i am positive I would have taken a picture of that. >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 6:01:32 AM UTC+1 Dr Pankaj Kumar wrote: >> >> One of my friend says this could be Byttneria. Please check the Malvaceae >> database for Africa. >> Pankaj >> >> >> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J. M. Garg >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: *Pankaj Kumar* <[email protected]> >> Date: Tue, 17 May, 2022, 6:20 am >> Subject: Re: [itpmods:16846] Fwd: [efloraofindia:422794] MYSTERY SHRUB >> 23rd Feb 2022...SS >> To: itpmods <[email protected]> >> >> >> Are you sure it is not a climber? >> >> On Tue, 17 May 2022 at 08:33, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J. M. Garg >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: *Plantaholic Sheila.* <[email protected]> >> Date: Fri, 13 May, 2022, 3:11 am >> Subject: Re: [itpmods:16822] Fwd: [efloraofindia:422794] MYSTERY SHRUB >> 23rd Feb 2022...SS >> To: eFloraofIndia <[email protected]> >> >> >> Pic 3 seems to have some sort of gland in the axil of the leaves. >> Does this lead to any further clues? >> I have seen something slightly similar in Aleurites molaccana where 2 >> *glands* at the junction of the leaf base and petiole secrete a sweetish >> sap >> >> [image: ALEURITES MOLUCCANA 18-01-2019 11-33-14.JPG][image: ALEURITES >> MOLUCCANA 18-01-2019 11-30-56.JPG] >> >> >> On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 10:13:53 PM UTC+1 Plantaholic Sheila. wrote: >> >> Quote... I was thinking of *Hyptis* (on lines of *Hyptis capitata*) ... >> but I think I am wrong. >> The leaves look different. >> >> Regards. >> Donesh >> ................................................................ >> >> I appreciate all help. Thank you. >> Hyptis is in Lamiaceae. >> I thought we had established that it cannot be in this..see several posts >> above. >> >> >> This mystery plant was not a soft herbaceous plant. >> It was a shrub/tree .....with strong woody square stems. >> The round balls of seeds were quite large as were the leaves. >> Apologies that there is nothing to give my pics a scale. >> I was so sure it would be easy to id I only took these pics >> >> On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 8:09:21 AM UTC+1 Dinesh Valke wrote: >> >> I was thinking of *Hyptis* (on lines of *Hyptis capitata*) ... but I >> think I am wrong. >> The leaves look different. >> >> Regards. >> Donesh >> >> On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 12:23 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >> Any confirmed ideas about the family or genus? >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: *Plantaholic Sheila.* <[email protected]> >> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 at 21:18 >> Subject: [efloraofindia:415866] MYSTERY SHRUB 23rd Feb 2022...SS >> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >> >> >> [image: 001 04-04-2019 10-48-58.JPG][image: 001 04-04-2019 >> 10-49-05.JPG][image: >> 001 04-04-2019 10-49-10.JPG][image: 001 04-04-2019 10-49-36.JPG][image: >> 001 04-04-2019 10-50-01.JPG][image: 001 04-04-2019 10-50-05.JPG]My >> humble apologies. >> It has been so long since I posted here I have forgotten what to do. >> I saw this shrub on Isla de la Plata. Ecuador. >> Part of Machalilla National Park. >> On 4th April 2019...just 6 pics >> >> I have tried since than to id it...with no joy. >> Please may I seek the assistance of the world wide experts that help here >> to id this very distinctive plant. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/f54acb4e-9131-4110-a567-58e29067526dn%40googlegroups.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/f54acb4e-9131-4110-a567-58e29067526dn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "ITPmods" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BiuSFBi-oR_WUKjxXKGtLNy2sY6AmcHUCMxQeZgqSA870sPiw%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BiuSFBi-oR_WUKjxXKGtLNy2sY6AmcHUCMxQeZgqSA870sPiw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "eFloraofIndia" group. >> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> >> To view this discussion on the web, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/7efcfc6f-a948-4ea5-9c39-aa28c4c4d2e2n%40googlegroups.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/7efcfc6f-a948-4ea5-9c39-aa28c4c4d2e2n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "ITPmods" group. >> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> >> >> To view this discussion on the web, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BiuSFCUNJYXKLEg1G484%3DQJ37vPT%3DCWcLz0AjX1Qhcam5F0gw%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/itpmods/CA%2BiuSFCUNJYXKLEg1G484%3DQJ37vPT%3DCWcLz0AjX1Qhcam5F0gw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >> >> >> -- >> >> *Pankaj Kumar* MSc, PhD, FLS >> >> *IUCN-SSC Orchid Specialist Group Asia* >> >> Lam Tsuen, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong S.A.R., P.R. 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