According to the POWO, 3 sps., australis, flexuosa and spiralis have got distribution in Himachal Pradesh.
Thank you Saroj Kasaju ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: JM Garg <[email protected]> Date: Friday, January 28, 2022 at 6:03:08 PM UTC+5:45 Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:413528] Spiranthes australis from Himachal Pradesh-GS16012022-5 To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> On Wed, 26 Jan 2022 at 14:07, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: Dear Pankaj How about some glandular hairs I see in my specimens, and completely white flowers which point towards your S. himalensis. I can more images if you want. On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 12:12:11 PM UTC+5:30 Dr Pankaj Kumar wrote: Respected Sir Please check the pdf I attached last time. S. sinensis comes in both glabrous and hairy forms. We have seen both and checked DNA too. They are exactly same as per DNA. To me this was a surprise. Thats why I dislike DNA studies so much. How can one with and the other without hairs have same DNA!! Pankaj On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 at 14:25, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: Thanks, Singh ji On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 at 19:16, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: Since S. sinensis and S. australis are now treated as distinct species according to POWO (synonyms acoording to both eFlora of China and eFlora of Pakistan), I chanced upon this 2020 paper published in Acta Phytotax Geobot _pdf (jst.go.jp) <https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/apg/71/2/71_201922/_pdf> It further confuses me as it says "the stems, inflorescence and ovaries of S. australis are generally pubescent, whereas those of S. sinensis are reported to be glabrous. Pankaj ji please resolve On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 6:49:44 PM UTC+5:30 Gurcharan Singh wrote: 1. read S. sinensis for S. spiranthes On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 6:48:19 PM UTC+5:30 Gurcharan Singh wrote: Thanks Garg ji for bringing up old interesting conversation (now locked). Only Pankaj can resolve it for us. I have 22 more images which I can share with Pankaj ji if he wants: But these do suggest S. himalayensis: 1. Flowering (clicked) in May (vs flowering August to Septtember in India in S. spiranthes) 2. I can see densely pubescent inflorescence with some glandular hairs (vs pubescent to glabrous in S. sinensis) 3. Flower completely white (vs pink or purple, tip sometimes white in S. sinensis) More of course Pankaj would give final verdict. On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 4:50:19 PM UTC+5:30 Dr Pankaj Kumar wrote: Spiranthes australis is not found in India. It is not easy to confirm this. Recently Spiranthes hongkongensis was reported from Nepal so there are chances of having it in India too. Some details needed to confirm. Please check the pdf attached. Pankaj On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 at 23:34, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: Flora of China <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200028827> also supports this. On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 at 20:58, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: As per efi thread <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/1v4wWBkaXSY> : In Flora of British India the species was described under the name *Spiranthes australis* (R. Br.) Lindl., A species name (rather combination) proposed in 1824, based on *Neottia australis* R. Br. (1810), a species supposed to have pubescent inflorescence spike (it is also supposed to have pubescent bracts and floral parts partly as I read from other sources). *Spiranthes sinensis* (Pers.) Ames, is a name (rather combination) given in 1908, based on *Neottia sinensis* Pers. (1807), a species described from China and differing in glabrous spikes (and bracts and floral parts). It has recently been considered by most authors (including Flora of China, Flora of Pakistan, etc.) that these two taxa are synonyms, and as basionym of latter is dated earlier, *Spiranthes sinensis* is accepted name. It must be remembered that it is matter of taxonomic judgement (and not a simple issue of names), as the two species were originally described as distinct species (they have distinct types). For those who consider the differences are not enough would treat them under single species* S. sinensis*. Those who think (like original authors) that differences are sufficient, and are also trying to detect further differences to strengthen their distinct identity, would consider them as two separate species. I think … is just trying to do that, trying to settle the riddle, and he being a world renowned Orchid specialist is both qualified to do that. More so he owes the duty of resolving it for us. Let us appreciate that. On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 at 20:32, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: Thanks, Singh ji, for the six detailed images <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/zAzXn59BJmU>. ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: *Gurcharan Singh* <[email protected]> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 at 21:49 Subject: [efloraofindia:412559] Spiranthes australis from Himachal Pradesh-GS16012022-5 To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> Spiranthes australis clicked from along Bhangayani Temple Nohradhar Road, Himachal Pradesh, 25-5-2015 Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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