Grewia ?? Thank you Saroj Kasaju
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Mahadeswara <[email protected]> Date: Monday, June 7, 2021 at 9:58:00 AM UTC+5:45 Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:386271] Swamy/New series/ID/12 - ID of the Plant, Chennai. To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> Many many thanks for going deep into the subject to find it's ID. Wait for your final ID. On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 7:58:48 PM UTC+5:30 [email protected] wrote: I have this one in my mind and *I will inform when I would be ready to give up!* Meanwhile another guess https://www.kew.org/science/tropamerica/neotropikey/families/Symplocaceae.htm (please scroll down to bottom to see the last picture). But the problem is *fruits are different* in *Symplocos*, at best I could do is - https://www.morphosource.org/concern/biological_specimens/000S24715?locale=en Thank you With regards surajit koley On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 at 12:55, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: Forwarding again for Id assistance please. Some earlier relevant feedback: Might be Burseraceae- from Paradesi ji Thanks a lot Anjaneyulu ji. I was thinking it could be a *Commiphora* species (Burseraceae) . Meanwhile you suggested the family. I will try to work on it.- from Mahadeswara ji Sending h/w two more photos received. - from Mahadeswara ji Thanks, Paradesi ji and Mahadeswara ji. On checking the family in efloraofindia, I could track it upto *Commiphora wightii* (Arn.) Bhandari <https://efloraofindia.com/species/a---l/b/burseraceae/commiphora/commiphora-wightii> as per images and details herein and as per https://plantslive.in/product/buy-commiphora-berryi-usuvaindian-balm-of-gilead-plant-online-india/ http://bonsaiclubofahmedabad.com/sales_detail.php?sales_id=115 https://www.desertcart.in/products/72901437-guggul-myrrh-tree-commiphora-wightii-exotic-caudex-mukul-bonsai-seed-5-seeds https://laidbackgardener.blog/2017/12/22/the-two-plants-of-the-magi/ https://www.flipkart.com/chamunda-greens-commiphora-wightii/p/itm33117aadfa00a ICAR <https://iinrg.icar.gov.in/library/majorgumresin/mobile/index.html#p=101> But flowers look different as per Images at *Commiphora wightii* (Arn.) Bhandari <https://efloraofindia.com/species/a---l/b/burseraceae/commiphora/commiphora-wightii> http://gardentia.sitewalla.com/2013/09/16/guggul/ Observations on Flowering and Fruiting in Commiphora wightii (Arnott) Bhandari <https://www.researchgate.net/publication/263090118_Observations_on_Flowering_and_Fruiting_in_Commiphora_wightii_Arnott_Bhandari> Could not find a match with other species listed in Flora of Peninsular India <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/search.php> (namely Commiphora berryi <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=2208&cat=7>, Commiphora caudata var. caudata <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=2209&cat=7>, Commiphora caudata var. pubescens <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=2210&cat=7>, Commiphora gileadensis <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=2211&cat=7>, Commiphora myrrha <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=2212&cat=7>, Commiphora stocksiana <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=2213&cat=7>, Commiphora wightii)- from me I was following this thread. I want to know a thing or two about bonsai :- 1. does their stunted growth deform them? 2. do leaves retain their characters? 3. flowers and fruits should remain as in normal species, since they are sexual organs - isn't it? Flowers in this species seem to have staminal tube - so why not check for meliaceae member, for example - https://www.discoverlife.org/mp/20p?see=I_SP512&res=640 ? Thank you With regards surajit koley Thanks for taking interest in this thread to unravel its identity .Regarding your queries, 1. No. the stunted growth does not deform the plant but it manifest in miniature forms. 2. Sure. 3. Yes they remain in normal form. Meanwhile I am asking the sender of these photographs to allow the plant to grow on its own without clipping the plant parts. Let us see what happens. Regards, Dr.Mahadeswara Swamy However, *your answers no. 1 & 2 imply - this species wouldn't be a Meliaceae member*, because they mostly have pinnate leaves with entire margins of leaflets. *Please do not waste your time on Meliaceae*. Thank you With regards surajit koley I have another suggestion, if I may - please think of it before any search or allotting your time to it - What about the probability of a rutaceae member? (since I think some of those flowers also look similar, and they are used for bonsai, and the flower colour in your species is actually greenish-white, not yellow.! And also take care of those green-turning-orange fruit in your pic no MG-20210518-WA0018). I still cannot get rid of meliaceae though! Just check some fruit pics - - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munronia - http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:26792-1 The problem area is crenate leaf (or leaflets?) Thank you With regards surajit koley ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: *M Swamy* <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 at 17:42 Subject: [efloraofindia:386271] Swamy/New series/ID/12 - ID of the Plant, Chennai. To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> Dear friends, Kindly Id the plant photographs received from a friend in Chennai. Photographed yesterday. I understand it is a bonsoi plant. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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