Thanks, Tabish ji. But I find it more closer to *Androsace villosa *(as per Androsace World <http://www.alpines.be/androsaceworld/fotogallerij/villosa/index.html>) rather than Androsace jacquemontii var. robusta (R.Knuth) Govaerts (as per FOP illustration <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=86759&flora_id=5> and Androsace World <http://www.alpines.be/androsaceworld/fotogallerij/robusta/index.htm>) POWO <https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:77228473-1> gives its distribution in the West Himalayas.
On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 at 23:23, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Garg ji, > Long back you had expressed surprise that although *Androsace villosa, > *showed > distribution in W Himalaya, it did not figure in Flora of Pakistan. I found > out, what figures in W Himalaya is *Androsace villosa* var. *robusta* > <https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:60458960-2> > which is a synonym of *Androsace jacquemontii* var. *robusta, *the > currently accepted name. Androsace robusta which is considered by FOP is a > synonym of *Androsace jacquemontii* var. *robusta.* Androsace robusta is > also listed in Klimes & Dickore's Ladakh checklist. I think this solves the > mystery. > Tabish > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: J.M. Garg <Unknown> > Date: Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 9:29:33 PM UTC+5:30 > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:417721] Re: Androsace muscoidea in FOI > To: efloraofindia <Unknown> > Cc: Tabish <Unknown> > > > Thanks, Tabish ji. > There is a real confusion over here. > I could not find *Androsace villosa, *though distribution is given in POWO > <https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:77228473-1> > and CoL > <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/annual-checklist/2019/details/species/id/04cad3fecb9456b279314ae1a7eae52e> > . > Flora of Pakistan gives *Androsace robusta* ssp. > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250081171>*robusta > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250081171> > (*Androsace > jacquemontii var. robusta (R.Knuth) Govaerts in POWO). It says: > The ssp. *robusta* differs from the European *Androsace villosa* in its > robust habit and with larger plant parts. .................... > The species *Androsace robusta* has also been confused with and included > in *Androsace muscoidea* by several authors (Handel-Mazzetti 1927, p. 163 > and Gould 1982). The two taxa are quite distinct not only morphologically > but also occupy to a greater extent different areas. > > Also see A.villosa > <http://www.alpines.be/androsaceworld/fotogallerij/villosa/index.html> and > A.robusta > <http://www.alpines.be/androsaceworld/fotogallerij/robusta/index.htm> in > Androsace World. > > Here are keys from Flora of Pakistan > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=101696>: > 18 (17) > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=101696#KEY-1-17>Leaf > rosettes 3-6 mm broad, globose. Leaves ± incurved, 2.1-4.5 x 1.1-1.5 mm. > Scape up to 8 mm long, 1-2-flowered 16 Androsace muscoidea > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242303148>+Leaf > rosettes loose or if globose then 4-14 mm broad. Leaves not incurved, 3-11 > x 1-2.8 mm. Scape (5-) 7-90 mm long, 3-12-flowered (19) > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=101696#KEY-1-19> > 19 (18) > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=101696#KEY-1-18>Plants > robust. Leaves densely appressed villous, cinerascent green or silky white > (20) > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=101696#KEY-1-20> > +Plants of a ± slender habit. Leaves sub-glabrous to pubescent-villous, > but not densely so (21) > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=101696#KEY-1-21> > 20 (19) > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=101696#KEY-1-19>Rhizome > woody, c. 4.5 mm thick. Scape up to 10 mm long. Seed with a prominent hilum > scar 11 Androsace villosissima > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250081179>+Rhizome > and seed not as above. Scape 40-95 mm 10 Androsace robusta > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200016945> > > After going through all this I am also leaning towards *Androsace > villosa.* > > On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 at 22:55, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thank you Garg ji, > I think you are right that it is not *Androsace muscoidea. *However, I > don't think it is A. globifera, as the images don't quite agree, and A. > globifera is found in Eastern Himalayas, and not in Ladakh. I think this > plant is *Androsace villosa. *Compare with the images at POWO > <https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:700470-1>. I > am attaching higher resolution images. The calyx particularly agrees. > Compare with images here too: > https://www.biolib.cz/en/taxonimage/id59176/?taxonid=503355&type=1 > Best wishes > Tabish > > On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 10:02:03 PM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote: > > Hi, Tabish ji, > Images by Thingnam ji of Androsace muscoidea in FOI > <http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Mossy%20Rock%20Jasmine.html> > look different from those at *Androsace muscoidea* Duby > <https://efloraofindia.com/2014/07/02/androsace-muscoidea/> and as per > Androsace > world > <http://www.alpines.be/androsaceworld/fotogallerij/muscoidea/index.htm>. > It may be Androsace globifera as per images in Androsace world > <http://www.alpines.be/androsaceworld/fotogallerij/globifera/index.htm>: > http://www.alpines.be/androsaceworld/fotogallerij/globifera/imageFull19.htm > http://www.alpines.be/androsaceworld/fotogallerij/globifera/imageFull16.htm > Pl. check. > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/adefc787-481a-457d-8120-e4de6139ed80n%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/adefc787-481a-457d-8120-e4de6139ed80n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > -- With regards, J.M.Garg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. 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