Hi! I agree with what you say about RedHat. The configuration it generates after the install leaves a lot to be desired. I have never found a distribution as good as Mandrake (esp. compared to the RedHat 8). Krishna Rao --
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 03:45:31 Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: >On 09/12/02 02:25 +0530, Jaswinder Singh Kohli thus spake: >> Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: >> >> > Here goes distro wars again. ;) >> > >> > On 08/12/02 23:56 +0530, Gollum thus spake: >> > > this is good new man. I love debian. I had it once on my system. but then I >> > > could'nt get my printer to work, neiter did i get half the things to work. >> > > But Debian is beautyful in many ways. it does not have a f up kernel like >> > > redhat has. And though configuration is difficult it is a great sense of > >[...] > >> > >> >> This is my personal eXperience rather than influenced by anything else, >> so lets' debate.... > >Please before you start, notice that I have only chosen what Gollum >mentioned in the mail. I was just pointing out the irony in his >statements. > > >> >> >> > 1. In debian you cant get half the things to work. >> >> If they work once, they work forever, and they work rather easily in Debian >> rather than in RH. > >A subjective statement totally without evidence. You are using the same >apps. There is no reason why one should break and the other not, >especially in Linux. > >> Some autoconfiguration done by RH, usually messes things up, breaks one >> during tinkering with something else, same is with Mandrake, > >To use any distro you need to know a bit about how it works. You have >done your bit with Debian. Spend similar quality time with RH and then >crib. Any RHCE documention can provide you with enough info. > >> gets most of the things work in X Mode, but the user who likes to works >> in Text mode.... > >I have worked *much* more in console mode than in X. Nowadays i do >most of my work in a xterm only and use X only for mozilla and >openoffice. And yes, i wont even touch webmin/linuxconf/*conf with a >bargepole. But whatever else config that you can do in Debian, i can >do in my RH box too. I dont see where the problem lies. > >> > 2. Redhat has a more f*** up kernel than debian. Care to elaborate? >> > >> >> Yeah, some things which are compiled in and disabled by using some utility >> or other which it doesn't care to ask for installing during the installation >procedure. >> eXample is sysrq key, compiled in kernel, disabled using some (i don;t rem) utility >> took me ages to figure out why it ain't working at a frnds' place. > >You mean disabled using sysctl? I thought that was a standard utility. > >Redhat, due to its emphasis on enterprise scale systems has far more >than adequate support for hardware etc. To do the equivalent using >stock kernel and n number of patches is too painful for people who >dont have an apetite for adventure in the workplace. And people who >can manage the various potential conflicts between the patches are >hard to find. > >All these are based on my unfounded assumption that debian only comes >with a stock kernel. > >> >> > 3. In debian, users have to achieve getting X to work. >> >> Who says so, all you need is to know what are you doing.... >> If you dont' know, why you care doing that. > >I repeat my first point -- I was only pointing out the irony on the >OP. > >> > 4. In debian, the installer is confusing. >> >> This is the worst remark i have heard, Confusing is the completely the >> wrong kind of word, rather the Debain Installer is Simplest of all, > >Many people on this list will disagree. There was a reason why debian >was not used for the LAP project. > >> 1. Text based- Works will all the damned cards. > >How are these two related? Too subjective an answer anyway. > >> 2. No hardware detection- No hangups as happens with SuSe,Caldera, >> on some of the machines i hve seen. > >Not always a good thing for customers. > >> 3 No Hidden Features- NO packages will be installed without letting you know >> Just try to install RH, Mandrake etc.... with >min. packages >> How much space it takes and then try same with >DEBIAN > >AFAIK, in RH you do have an option to select exactly the package that >you want.Try the custom installation. If you try to install packages >with unsatisfied dependencies , RH informs you that and helps you make >your selection. What else do you want a professional distrib to do? > >> >> Also once you get Debian working, it lasts long really long, ting tong. > >There are probably far more redhat boxes running on the internet than >any other distro. Some reigning back to redhat 5.x (~4 years?). How long do you >want systems to last? > > >I am not trying to just evangelise here. I believe that either >technologies should be compared or philosophies. Dont mix the two. It >only confuses the real issue. > >My mind lies with working with Redhat while my heart with Debian. I >hope Debian to succeed because it would usher in an utopian era where >technology definitely belongs to the masses. I would help the project >as much as possible in my individual capacity. > >But professionally I would never recommend a technology just because >of the philosophy. It simply has to be better than the competition. > >The goal of every opensource enthusiast is to help make such software >simply better than the closed source world, and fight only on the basis >of merit. > >- Sandip > >-- >-------------------------------------------------------- >Sandip Bhattacharya >sandipb <@> bigfoot.com >http://www.sandipb.net GPG/PGP: 0x08EB637C >-------------------------------------------------------- > > ================================================ >To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in subject >header. Check archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd%40wpaa.org > > _____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB, POP3, Spam Filtering with LYCOS MAIL PLUS for $19.95/year. http://login.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus&ref=lmtplus
