well what u r talking abt is wud be users of Linux system and what i am
talking abt is wud
be programmers...n another thing is that linux comes with a lotsa user
friendly tools
just the point that i wanted to emphasise upon is that we shud not make them
dependant upon what
Micro$oft has made us depend upon ... 
        Drop them in a spool and they shall learn to swim ;)

ramneek

-----Original Message-----
From: Harshal Vaidya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 11:52 AM
To: multiple recipients of
Subject: Re: [ilugd]: Linux for Schools


Although I respect your view point I seriously do not think that making a
school kid learn vi and emacs would do any good deal to Linux.they will
learn vi amd emacs anyway once they get interested in linux. the first point
is to get them into linux, and i do not think first impression of tools like
vi on a school kid would be good coz they are too complex for a starter.
linux lacks user friendly stuff and Linux for schools should target
that.everything should be user friendly weather it is Linux for school or
industry in my opinion, and I think I am not asking for too much am i?

Harshal

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ramneek Handa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 11:35 AM
Subject: RE: [ilugd]: Linux for Schools


> hi all,
>    i have been working on rhide for abt 1 year now.... it is a real good
> development tool and is just like
> turbo c....moreover there are several ports of turbo vision for linux
> available... its looks,
> debugger support, integrated help system is really cool. But over all i
have
> a personal opinion that
> we shudnt provide our future army with kiddo tools and rather let them
> experience the
> good taste of vi and emacs...Moreover, if we encourage young generations
to
> horne their skills on linux
> i guess linux will be able to achive its goal earlier than expected.
>
>
> regards
> ramneek handa
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Raju Mathur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 9:43 AM
> To: multiple recipients of
> Subject: Re: [ilugd]: Linux for Schools
>
>
> I agree with Ambar here (whatever I can make out of that part of his
> post which is written in English <g,d&r>).  If we're aiming to
> popularise Linux in schools, one (though not the only) argument we
> have to present is cost.  If after installing Linux we say, `However
> you still need to purchase Turbo C (or any other DOS/Win app)', we
> lose that advantage.
>
> Further, I personally feel that we should try to promote Linux as a
> complete replacement for all the schools' requirements.  Promoting a
> mix of Linux and DOS/Windows weakens our case significantly since it
> projects Linux as an incomplete and consequently undesirable
> solution.  Remember, we are fighting years of inertia here, and cannot
> afford to have any chinks in our armour at all.
>
> I'm glad this discussion came up, since it enables us to look deeper
> into a school's requirements and determine what we can provide to meet
> them.  There's RHIDE for Linux, which (from the one screenshot I saw)
> appears to look and work exactly like Turbo C.  Anyone willing to
> evaluate that in terms of usefulness to schools?
>
> Regards,
>
> -- Raju
>
> >>>>> "Ambar" == Ambar Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>     Ambar> in fact i am quite confident that tc++ wud run inside
>     Ambar> dosemu. ;) I last checked dosemu b4 the first pcq linux
>     Ambar> came out, and even then it did work with most of the
>     Ambar> apps. And TC++ is not one of the misbehaved dos apps that
>     Ambar> can't be run from inside a dosemu style emulator.
>
>     Ambar> The graphics.h functions were not in the cbse course last
>     Ambar> time i checked.  And if some1 is really that intrested,
>     Ambar> they can always use glut/opengl for some really good
>     Ambar> graphics ;)
>
> --
> Raju Mathur          [EMAIL PROTECTED]           http://kandalaya.org/
>                      It is the mind that moves
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