hi sandip
          this is a nice solution but my problem is that i dont have cron access or 
even shell with non-root. i only have ftp :(. so how do i initalise code?

manish

On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:48:47  
 Sandip Bhattacharya wrote:
>
>Or, how about another hack? This would be an ugly polling based solution which you 
>might dislike.
>
>1. Lets suppose you have a flag - which could be a zero sized file with a 
>pre-determined name.
>
>2.Then, you 
>either have a daemontools/bash script with a minimum resolution of 1 second
>or a cronjob with a minimum resolution of 1 minute.
>
>3. Your web script removes or creates the file, based on whether you want to start
>the service or stop it.
>
>4. When the background process, on one of its polling iteration,
>finds that the flag is not present, but service is up,  it stops it,
>and vice versa. 
>
>Pros:
> - easy to create.
> - Extremely secure. No running of setuid scripts, root web processes etc.
>
>Cons:
> - not very elegant, but works.
> - poll based. Not probably good for infrequently used services.
>
>The design pattern is similar to what djbdns uses.
>
>- Sandip
>
>On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 12:18:24PM +0530, Rajat Bhatia spoke out thus:
>> Hi,
>>     Would it suffice, if in the program we want to run in the background, we do a 
>fork, and then terminate the parent process, while the child process starts the 
>services as required?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Rajat
>> 
>> Manish K Arya wrote:
>> 
>> > hi
>> >    thanks for quick reply.
>> > actully have made a program that read  mysql database in cartain time intervals 
>and takes action according to cases.now i want to have a web based panel to start and 
>stop that service.
>> >
>> > On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:33:43
>> >  Kapil Sethi wrote:
>> > >I think that is an interesting situation.
>> > >
>> > >The job of HTTP server is to load a file and transfer the contents to the
>> > >client. after the html page is served the server closes the connection. In
>> > >case of server parsed documents like cgi / php /asp etc. scripts the server
>> > >waits for the appropriate engine to process the request and hand over the
>> > >document in HTML format to it. The server then forwards this document to the
>> > >client. when you try to execute a program in background using CGI the server
>> > >is still waiting for the child program to terminate. In effect waiting for
>> > >the complete output which it will forward to client. Thus the server process
>> > >waits indefinitely for the child process to terminate. Also as the
>> > >background process does not terminate, every request to the cgi script will
>> > >create one more instance to the same program in memory overloading your
>> > >system.
>> > >
>> > >So, I think this is a bad idea to create background processes using a web
>> > >server.
>> > >
>> > >Can we know what exactly is the motive, we may be able to suggest some
>> > >better way.
>> > >
>> > >Kapil Sethi
>> > >System Administrator
>> > >BharatConnect Ltd.
>> > >Ph: 011-6430987
>> > >----- Original Message -----
>> > >From: "Manish K Arya" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > >To: "general linux" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "linux programmers"
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>> > >Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 11:03 AM
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>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> hi
>> > >>    i was trying to run a program in background thru cgi and php.
>> > >> i have written a shell script to intialize the C program that i want to
>> > >run in background
>> > >> like
>> > >>
>> > >> #/bin/bash
>> > >> program&
>> > >>
>> > >> and now i try to run this shell script thru C cgi using system() in C cgi
>> > >and exec() in php.
>> > >> program gets started in background properly.but the problem is that web
>> > >browser gets busy(loading icon glows).and statements after exec()/system()
>> > >are not executed.i dont know why it is happening.
>> > >>
>> > >> pls suggest
>> > >>
>> > >> ---
>> > >> Manish Kumar Arya
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>> > >> {
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>> > >> }
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