On Mon, Sep 29 2008, Venkatraman S wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 4:00 AM, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>> What is the point of having testers when the benefit is not
>> passed on upstream to benefit everyone? That is the critical point in
>> Greg's talk. Ubuntu efforts benefit Ubuntu. They are not close source,
>> but unlike the rest of the free software world, they make no effort to
>> feed any changes back upstream.
>>
>>
> Now am sure a lightning is gonna strike you and you gonna become green
> as a toad!!
Ouch.
> Have you contributed to Ubuntu?
Not directly, no. But Ubuntu has indeed taken some 40+ of my
packages (and without make-kpkg and make, they would not be able to
build their distribution, so perhaps I have contributed a little bit).
> or aware of the development/bug-reporting process in Ubuntu?
Not really. The point is, I should not have to -- fixes to my
code ought to being fed back to me (ucf, kernel-package, etc) -- jut
like I feed back changes to my upstream using _their_ preferred means
of communications -- that means I use their mailing lists, I use their
bug tracking systems, and I separate and rebase changes to their latest
release.
> If not, then let me summarize for you : It clearly says that a bug
> found in upstream can either be fixed by the developer or be passed
> upstream - and i personally have done this and also know that along
> with me thousand others do the same.
And why is it that the changes are not reaching me, then?
> This is an unfortunate situation in the FOSS world - consolidation and
> cooperation is something that the FOSS world lacks - attacking
> different schools of development should be refrained from and the best
> teachings of all schools should be nurtured(as what Kapil referred to)
> and cultivated. I am waiting for a true-next-generation OS that would
> be a mix(+advanced) of the present OS'es and give it for free.
Well, Debian was trying to be the "Universal" operating system
too.
> A similar behaviour oft seen is the attack on M$ : lets learn from
> them and also assimilate the best of it in our thought process. M$
> rocks for various other reasons and we should truly appreciate(if not
> respect) them.
I guess we are too far apart in this issue for there to be hope
of a reasonable dialog.
manoj
--
You can't cross a large chasm in two small jumps.
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.golden-gryphon.com/>
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