Hi,

I think this is an excellent draft and have already sent a pointer of it to 
colleagues in other organizations as  stuff to consider.

And although it has been eons since I chaired anything in the IETF, it 
perfectly matches my recollection of what humming  and rough consensus was all 
about.


thanks

avri


On 6 Oct 2013, at 17:03, Jari Arkko wrote:

> The document talks about ways in which consensus processes can be 
> successfully run in the IETF. After the last few rounds of versions, I 
> believe this document is ready to move forward. 
> 
> My goal is to publish it as an Informational RFC. It is an explanation of 
> principles and how they can be applied to productively move IETF discussions 
> forward. While there is no change to IETF processes or any presumption that 
> guidance from this document must be followed, I have found the document very 
> useful. It has been referred to numerous times in IETF and IESG discussions. 
> Consensus is hard and many WG discussions have complex trade-offs and 
> differing opinions. I believe having this document become an RFC would help 
> us apply the useful principles even more widely than we are doing today.  
> 
> The abstract says:
> 
>   The IETF has had a long tradition of doing its technical work through
>   a consensus process, taking into account the different views among
>   IETF participants and coming to (at least rough) consensus on
>   technical matters.  In particular, the IETF is supposed not to be run
>   by a "majority rule" philosophy.  This is why we engage in rituals
>   like "humming" instead of voting.  However, more and more of our
>   actions are now indistinguishable from voting, and quite often we are
>   letting the majority win the day, without consideration of minority
>   concerns.  This document is a collection of thoughts on what rough
>   consensus is, how we have gotten away from it, and the things we can
>   do in order to really achieve rough consensus.
> 
>      Note (to be removed before publication): This document is quite
>      consciously being put forward as Informational.  It does not
>      propose to change any IETF processes and is therefore not a BCP.
>      It is simply a collection of principles, hopefully around which
>      the IETF can come to (at least rough) consensus.
> 
> The draft can be obtained from 
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-resnick-on-consensus
> 
> You should see a last call announcement soon, and both me and Pete look 
> forward to your feedback.
> 
> Jari
> 
> 

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