Commenting is already an action taken, so we thank who made effort to bring
the points forward. I always add my comments even though I had given no
title. However, thoes folks that have been given titles by the IETF I think
they should do actions more regarding this diversity issue as
Mr.Hallam-baker requesting. I never give excuses to managers, but
appreciate all their efforts and patients for the community :-)

AB


On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Peter Saint-Andre <stpe...@stpeter.im>wrote:

> On 6/19/13 8:32 AM, Dave Crocker wrote:
> > On 6/19/2013 5:35 AM, Dave Cridland wrote:
> >> Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
> >> There is a real problem with accountability and transparency in the IETF
> >> constitution which was designed by a bunch of old boys to maintain
> >> control in their own hands. Peter is a member of the IETF establishment
> >> so of course he sees no structural problem.
> >> PSA's been an AD, yes, but:
> >
> >
> > Forgive me, but you just responded to a rather unpleasant ad hominem.
> >
> > We should not sustain such threads.
>
> My point, poorly expressed though it was, is that it's not productive
> for us all to wait from word on high before taking positive action.
> Members of the IESG, IAB, IOAC, or any other "official" body are just
> folks who are temporarily serving the community in a defined role. If we
> want to change the culture of our community with respect to diversity,
> it's better for us to work to encourage, nurture, and mentor particular
> individuals.
>
> My apologies for the extremely egregious manner in which I stated the
> point. It was not directed personally at Mr. Hallam-Baker, but at all of
> us who talk and don't take action -- myself very much included.
>
> Peter
>
> --
> Peter Saint-Andre
> https://stpeter.im/
>
>
>

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