Thanks for following up, and for the re-send.  Just to be clear, I do not
mean these as blocking points.

On the former point, I might just suggest a minor edit to the introduction:
OLD: "This document specifies the options for determination and selection
of next-hop Ethernet MAC addressing under these circumstances."
NEW: "This document specifies the options for determination and selection
of next-hop Ethernet MAC addressing when MPLS-TP is used in a "pure
Ethernet" manner, without any IP forwarding capability."

On the latter point, I can understand the desire to make the simple case
simple, and the text at the end of Section 2 sends a clear warning. It does
seems like GAP would also allow autoconfiguration without further NMS
interaction.  (Unless the NMS is configuring per-Ethernet-address policies,
e.g., "forward packets with this label to 00:11:22:33:44:55". Is that the
case?)




On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Stewart Bryant <stbry...@cisco.com> wrote:

>  Resending due to Richards change of address.
>
> Stewart
>
>
> On 11/02/2013 23:45, Richard Barnes wrote:
>
> I have been selected as the General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviewer for 
> this draft (for background on Gen-ART, 
> pleaseseehttp://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html).
>
> Please wait for direction from your document shepherd or AD before posting a 
> new version of the draft.
>
> Document: draft-ietf-mpls-tp-ethernet-
> addressing-05
> Reviewer: Richard Barnes
> Review Date: 2013-02-11
> IETF LC End Date: 2013-02-18
> IESG Telechat date: TBD
>
> Summary:  Ready, with a couple of minor questions / clarifications.
>
> Comment:
>
> The document is mostly very clearly written.  (Thanks!)  It would have helped 
> me understand if it could have been clarified up front that the mechanism in 
> this document is intended for "pure Ethernet" MPLS-TP (without assumptions 
> about layer 3+).  The current introduction says as much, but in a negative 
> way, in terms of ARP or ND not being available.
>
> I have some minor unease about the distinction that this document makes 
> between point-to-point and multipoint links.  The document correctly notes 
> that a point-to-point link might become multipoint without either end being 
> aware.  I would have thought this would argue for using GAP in all cases, but 
> instead the document carries on with addressing the point-to-point case 
> separately..
>
>
>  Richard
>
> It is always difficult when writing a simple draft dealing with a small
> component of a larger technology to know how much tutorial to include,
> but I believe the point about operation in the absence IP would be well
> known
> to anyone implementing this. In particular we assume that anyone
> implementing the draft would have read the required references called
> up in the first paragraph of the Introduction:
>
>
> " The MPLS Transport Profile (MPLS-TP) [RFC5921] is the set of protocol
> functions that meet the requirements [RFC5654] for the application of
> MPLS to the construction and operation of packet-switched transport
> networks. The MPLS-TP data plane consists of those MPLS-TP functions
> concerned with the encapsulation and forwarding of MPLS-TP packets
> and is described in [RFC5960]."
>
> RFC5654 says:
>
> "   36  It MUST be possible to operate and configure the MPLS-TP data
>        plane without any IP forwarding capability in the MPLS-TP data
>        plane.  That is, the data plane only operates on the MPLS label."
> Thus I think that the text is complete as it stands and requires no
> further clarification for anyone that needs to consider the technology
> it describes.
>
>
> With regard to your second point, the issue that we are have, is that
> there are a number of deployment scenarios where the operator knows
> that the link is Pt-Pt, and there is a reluctance by that community to
> use anything other than NMS configuration. That has lead them
> to use Ethernet broadcast addressing which allows the crafts to
> change h/w without the need for reconfiguration by the NMS.
> Against that background moving them onto the use of a Ethernet m/c
> address is a step forward. To require using the GAP to that
> community would illustrate that the IETF is out of touch with
> their needs and methods of network operation.
>
> Hopefully this additional background, which I believe is well
> known to the MPLS-TP community to which this draft is directed,
> satisfies your concern on the latter point.
>
> - Stewart
>
>
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