On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Eric Gray <[email protected]> wrote: > Mary, > > There's a difference between evaluating someone based on what they > said (as you > point out is part of the NomCom's job) and evaluating someone based on what > somebody else > said about what they said. > > If - in the latter case - someone offering feedback based strictly on > what a candidate > had to say about themselves was completely up-front about that, then the > NomCom could try > to factor that in when considering the feedback.
> I don't think that it is a good idea to try to rely on people to do > this, nor do I think it is > completely obvious how someone on the NomCom could necessarily arrive at a > really good > way to "factor that in." [MB] Honestly, as it is now, the context for feedback is often totally unknown to the Nomcom. I can't see that someone offering feedback based on public input from the nominee is any less credible that the information that Nomcom gets now. My point is that nominees providing this information makes it easier for someone providing input to provide concrete context and adequate detail to add value to the process. Folks do not remember everything that a person has done. They usually only remember the most recent things. The process is quite flawed IMHO right now in terms of the quality and quantity of input that nomcom must rely on to make their decisions. [/MB] >> > Your second point is certainly valid. There is no doubt that a > personal CV from each > candidate would help everyone. So maybe we're just quibbling over exactly > what sorts of > candidate responses it would be helpful to disclose. [MB] Take a look at the position questionnaires: https://www.ietf.org/group/nomcom/2012/iesg-questionnaire If I were to post my responses that I provided to this year's nomcom, I would only need to make some minor changes in terms of anonymizing and abstracting a few of my comments. We can decide where to draw the line in terms of what sections to provide, as well. If anyone does have lots of concerns about this, it would make me wonder exactly how they are positioning themselves to the nomcom. [/MB] > > :-) > -- > Eric > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary Barnes [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 4:22 PM > To: Eric Gray > Cc: Bob Hinden; [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD > Importance: High > > Eric, > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Eric Gray <[email protected]> wrote: >> Bob, >> >> This confuses me. Are you saying that you would be more able >> to give feedback on someone you don't know if you knew what they might have >> to say about themselves? >> >> I would think that - if you don't know somebody - you can't >> give feedback on them (and that is precisely as it should be). > [MB] This then begs the question in my opinion as to how Nomcom can evaluate > nominees from the questionnaires then? > > Also, As I noted in my previous response, even when you know someone you > likely don't know everything about what they have accomplished or you have > forgotten some things. [/MB] >> >> -- >> Eric >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >> Of Bob Hinden >> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 2:45 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: Bob Hinden; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD >> >> Hi, >> >>> Just to be clear: I am not suggesting public discussion. I'm suggesting >>> that candidates make their responses available to the community, so the >>> community can have additional information for providing feedback to the >>> Nomcom. >> >> I agree with Dave on this. >> >> I try to give feedback on the NomCom lists of candidates. For people I >> know, I can do this, for people I don't know well it's difficult. It would >> help me if I could read some of the material they submitted with their >> acceptance of the nomination to see why they want the job, and their >> qualifications and experience. >> >> The IETF has grown a lot over the years to the point where most people don't >> know all of the candidates. >> >> Bob >>
