> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rémi Després [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:14 AM
> To: Softwires-wg
> Cc: Dan Wing; Teemu Savolainen; Satoru Matsushima; IETF discussion
> list; Behave WG
> Subject: Re: [BEHAVE] ... Dual Stack Hosts Using "Bump-in-the-Host"
> (BIH))
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Le 27 sept. 2011 à 21:10, Dan Wing a écrit :
> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
> ...
> >> I mean does existing
> >> applications work better if double translation is done in
> deterministic
> >> manner?
> >
> > Yes, it allows the CPE to implement an ALG -- if an application needs
> > an ALG (e.g., active-mode FTP).
> 
> +1
> 
> As Softwire is concerned, it is worth noting here that, with
> encapsulation rather than double translation, NO ALG is ever needed.
> (Neither in ISP Border Relay nodes, nor in CPEs, nor in BIH hosts).

Do a message flow for active mode FTP with 4rd.  I did one, and
it needs an ALG in the 4rd NAPT44 function.

-d

> It is sometimes argued that double translation could be as simple than
> encapsulation.
> AFAIK, this discussion clearly indicates the contrary.
> (No ALGs eliminates any variants about where to put them.)
> 
> RD


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