Dave and I don't always agree :-) 

I don't think we've got either the database of "people not attending because of 
costs" nor a good model for factoring them in if we did (e.g. N pnac's times 
some percentage who would still not attend because of other issues times some 
percentage where the location is problematic * etc etc).  If you can figure 
this out, I think you could probably apply the same model to forecasting the US 
stock market...

We have good data on past attendees.  From that we can probably build a pretty 
good model on what each past attendees Pa (percentage chance of attending the 
next meeting) is.  From that we can probably build a pretty good model of what 
our probable attendee demographics will look like absent the one-shot and/or 
local attendees.

Let's stick with solid data rather than try and resolve the hypotheticals - I 
doubt the latter is possible in any meaningful way.

Mike



At 08:52 AM 9/6/2010, Dave CROCKER wrote:
>On 8/30/2010 1:10 PM, Melinda Shore wrote:
>> There's already bias in the population
>> of meeting attendees - do you, and, if so, how do you account
>> for people who are already not attending because of costs?
>
>Yes!  This is exactly the point I keep raising, about sampling error. We need 
>to make sure that our analyses are with respect to the population (the full 
>set of potential attendees) that we have in mind, rather than just a core of 
>folk who usually attend.
>
>A theoretical analysis of fair costs doesn't query real people, so sampling is 
>not an issue.  But the second we start surveying, we need to consider folks 
>not on the ietf@ or ietf-attendees@ lists.


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