At 1:12 PM -0400 6/21/10, Scott Lawrence wrote:
>On 2010-06-20 10:41, Dave CROCKER wrote:
>>
>>
>>On 6/20/2010 11:53 AM, SM wrote:
>>>The reader will note that neither implementation nor operational
>>>experience is required. In practice, the IESG does "require
>>>implementation and/or operational experience prior to granting Proposed
>>>Standard status".
>>
>>
>>Well, they do not /always/ require it.
>>
>>
>>That said, the fact that they often do and that we've lived with the reality 
>>of that for a long time could make it interesting to simplify things 
>>significantly:
>>
>>   1.  Have the current requirements for Draft be the entry-level requirement 
>> for a standard  -- do away with Proposed, not Draft.
>>
>>   2.  Have a clear demonstration of industry acceptance (deployment and use) 
>> be the criterion for "Internet Standard" (ie, Full.)
>>
>>Having two interoperable implementations required for /all/ new 
>>specifications takes care of two interesting questions.
>>
>>      a.  Whether the specification can be at all understood.
>>
>>      b.  Whether there is any meaningful industry motivation to
>>          care about the work.
>>
>>With these two questions satisfied, the nature of challenges against 
>>standardization might tend to be more pragmatic than theoretical.
>I strongly support this approach.  The main drawback of this would be that a 
>document would sometimes need to exist for longer as an I-D while 
>implementations are developed, but balancing that is the fact that those 
>implementations would then inform the first RFC version rather than some 
>subsequent update, and it would be harder to get an RFC published for 
>something no one is really going to build.

It would only be harder to get a standards track RFC published for something no 
one is really going to build: there will still be Experimental and 
Informational RFCs.

Such a change would put an new and interesting set of pressures on WGs, and on 
individuals who go through the individual submission process for standards 
track. It is well worth considering.

--Paul Hoffman, Director
--VPN Consortium
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