John-
Every IETF meeting results in a discussion of WG chairs asking their attendees
to read the drafts, get involved on the email, etc.
Time has not changed the fact that some folks to and some do not follow this
suggestion. Many folks attend the BOF/WG in order to get started!
However, I must agree that the four "content" meetings had far insufficinet
space, as you noted.
Michael
At 03:29 PM 12/20/2000 +0100, John Martin wrote:
>Let me give you an example of where this didn't work recently. At San
>Diego, we had back-to-back meetings of WREC followed by OPES BoF and CDNP
>BoF. For the most part, there was a very large overlap in the attendance.
>If you did not forgoe the coffee break and - literally! - run between the
>rooms, you did not get a seat. If you were silly enough to engage in even
>a 1 minute conversation and walk slowly, you might not have gotten into
>the room at all. This is of course further exacerbated by those who do the
>IETF equivalent of spreading their towels out on the loungers by the pool
>before going for breakfast...
>
>Some folks who had contributed were excluded because the doors had to be
>closed in order to make the meeting audible. In one case, the door was
>opened to admit someone who was on the agenda as speaking.
>
>I don't believe that any of the solutions offered so far will work because
>they depend on the good manners of strangers which, frankly, is largely
>non-existent at IETF meetings.
>
>So, my only suggestion is that WG chairs strongly encourage work to be
>done on the mailing lists, a deference towards non-presentation formats
>and the strong enforcement of timelines in meetings.... which is, erm,
>what we're supposed to encourage anyway...
>
>John
>
>At 07:35 AM 20/12/00 -0800, Melinda Shore wrote:
>> > What happened to the proven and time-honored technique of
>>getting
>> > to a meeting early if you want a seat? I know the argument is
>>that
>> > we want to hang out in the hallways until the last minute and
>>still
>> > get a seat (because we are more "important" than a bunch of the
>>people
>> > that did get there early), but still...
>>
>>I think the problem could, in part, be alleviated
>>by physically ejecting from the room people either
>>playing games on their laptops or checking their
>>portfolios.
>>
>>Melinda
>>(and I'm not kidding)
>>
>>
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