Keith;
> p.s. I do however think that, given the tendency of various providers
> these days to violate the internet protocol specifications and
> erode the ability of applications to run on the network, the
> community might benefit from some kind of "standardized" (in the
> loose sense) description of IP service (rather than ISPs) that could be
> specified by customers. and IETF would appear to be the organization
> which is best suited to define such terms.
It exactly what IETF is (or, at least, was) doing, when loose sense
means "standard to be used on the Internet".
IETF is "Internet Engineering Task Force", not "IP Engineering
Task Force".
IETF can't say anything to braindead protocols of braindead providers
in their purely private IP network.
Masataka Ohta