Dan,

I'll suggest one course of action, but I keep emphasizing the issue 
is not one of alternates, but of recognizing the limitations of 
proposals now on the table and considering approaches that may work 
irrespective of whether everyone performs filtering.

With regard to a wide range of DoS or DDoS attacks, it seems quite 
feasible to monitor traffic to the web site to detect such attacks 
irrespective of whether source addresses are spoofed or not.  (this 
differs from IDS for broader attacks, where the recognition problem 
is much harder and the false negative rate is on the order of 20%.) 
Such monitoring can be done by a web hosting facility through purely 
passive monitoring, so as not to adversely affect the performance of 
the network used by a web hosting site.  Once an attack is detected, 
one can trigger a semi-automated response.  If one believes that the 
source addresses are not spoofed, then one can use this to direct 
filtering to selected ingress points, but the filtering can now be 
very focused, based o the characteristics of the detected DoS 
traffic. If one believes that source addressed might be spoofed, then 
one needs to activate the selective filtering on a much wider range 
of ingress points.  Since the true sources may be outside of the 
ISP's sphere of control, filtering at connections to other ISPs may 
be required in either case.

If the response is rapid enough, the attack may not have significant 
impact, which reduces the attraction of mounting such an attack in 
the first place.  One can begin disabling the filters once the 
offending traffic flows have diminished, which provides another means 
of determining the sources of traffic, as others have noted in 
previous published work on this topic.

An advantage of this style of approach is that while it can be even 
more effective if source address filtering is widespread, it also 
would work if such filtering is not completely effective, which is 
the sort of self-defense approach I prefer  It supports what the 
security community refers to as the Principle of Least Privilege.

Steve

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