I agree with Bron. The carbon footprint discussion distracts away from what
I think is the main purpose with a set of defined headers that have to be
signed: Making sure senders don't forget to sign them.
Personally I don't have a strong opinion if those headers are explicit or
implicit. The key point is - if not signing those, the signature should be
considered failing.

/E

On Mon, Apr 14, 2025 at 9:03 AM Bron Gondwana <brong=
40fastmailteam....@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Apr 13, 2025, at 13:17, Dave Crocker wrote:
>
> On 4/13/2025 6:34 PM, Richard Clayton wrote:
>
> An average email received at $DAYJOB$ on Friday (UTC) to be placed into
> the inbox was 81555 characters long; if it was automatically determined
> to be "span" it was 28921 bytes long.
>
>
> So, at the low end, less than 1/2 of 1%.
>
> And what will the incremental cost be, to the global infrastructure, when
> getting everyone to do all of the changes being proposed?
>
> If 0.5% is considered important, it's reasonable to look for the other
> side of cost/benefit.
>
>
> I have tried hard, and will continue to try, to persuade Richard (and
> others at the IETF to be fair) to drop this unpersuasive "reduce the carbon
> footprint" argument for small efficiency wins.  It's just not a good
> argument and it distracts energy away from the things that will make
> meaningful differences to the lives of abuse desks or end users.
>
> The only real "reduce carbon footprint" would be to reduce the amount of
> email being sent  That would be a 100% reduction in the byte size.
>
> Bron.
>
>
> --
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>   br...@fastmailteam.com
>
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