On Sun, Jan 5, 2025 at 7:25 PM Michael Thomas <m...@mtcc.com> wrote:

> I don't think you're talking about the same thing I am.  I'm talking about
> the definition provided in Section 8.6 of RFC 6376.  There's at least
> anecdotal evidence that this is a problem these days, and if that bullet
> can be referenced using a common term, I think it should.
>
> (And let's try to be constructive here.)
>
> I'm saying that I don't think it is well understood how to differentiate
> the benign from the non-benign. That is very relevant. Potter Stewart's "I
> know it when I see it" is not a very good test for internet standards.
> Heuristics are generally a bad idea for standards.
>

I think the thing being proposed is a way to detect that a replay (as
defined ibid) is happening, not whether the replay is benign.  There's no
value judgement in the current text that I can see.  More specifically, I
would posit that "this signature was not intended for use with this
recipient" is no more dispositive than "this signature failed entirely".

-MSK
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