Steffen Nurpmeso wrote in
 <20230807170617.91_dg%stef...@sdaoden.eu>:
 |Jeremy Harris wrote in
 | <25aead67-8b9f-1db0-076d-12620a394...@wizmail.org>:
 ||On 07/08/2023 05:22, Jesse Thompson wrote:
 ...
 |ML-specific headers).  That is, enable restoration and DKIM
 |checking of the original, pre-modified message.
 |This re-enables proper SPF checking, at least during DKIM

Even better, drop SPF.  I mean, i cannot help it.  If someone puts
an envelope around my letter, and another one puts another one,
etc., as long as the original content can be restored, and
presented "as-written", i do not care about anything else.
One may even invent an "SPF-like entry to DKIM", and allow
flagging, like in that Levine draft, that the message may indeed
come modified (by a mailing-list).  Or, surely more importantly to
some, that this may _not_ be allowed.
One could consider to put such in DNS in conjunction with
_domainkey.

In truly human societies (native jungle habitants without written
language that is, of course), people are sent out to the villages
with words of and by "the king", and then scanned and accepted by
the village habitants.  The light is enough.  (I do not want to
know what happens upon reputation scan failure.)

 |verification, and could thus restore mailing-list operation as was
 |known for decades, unless i am mistaken.  (In an all-DKIM world.)

Speaking of native jungle habitants, i wonder whether it is
sufficient to only have bh=.  How well does DKIM handle (looking
at opendkim/tests, they do not test at all) if messages are torn
into pieces, aka their MIME layout is completely changed?  They,
you would have

  advertising 1
  /alternative of original mail plain/html
  ad 2
  attachement 1 of original mail
  ad 3
  att 2 ..

Shouldn't that be extended so that each and every part (except for
alternative, but then one must be aware of things like

  /alternative
    plain
    /mixed
      html
      pic 1
      x y

not to talk about /related and all sorts of things there etc etc.
Shouldn't each MIME part have a Content-ID, and shouldn't it be
made possible that DKIM links c-id<>checksum, and one could make
that excessively complicated and overly detailed now?

--steffen
|
|Der Kragenbaer,                The moon bear,
|der holt sich munter           he cheerfully and one by one
|einen nach dem anderen runter  wa.ks himself off
|(By Robert Gernhardt)

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