On Jeff's same note: I think the Varsity grants would be great, but there are some set backs in the MSCA also. THe entire division is Club teams, that's a lot of schools to convince to add another varisity sport. The biggest issue for many of the teams in our area is that we are under Title 10. We must have an equal number of men and women varsity teams. That would mean going through the process of forming and approving two new varsity teams at each school. I know how difficult it can be to just get a club team going, what is it going to be like to set up two varsity teams and ask the school to continue to fund them after the grant money has been used?
Erin Harper -------------------------------- BGSC PR/Membership Chiar 2006 BGSC Commodore 2005Phi Eta Sigma Circle Kiwanis Phi Eta Sigma ---------Included Message---------- >Date: 6-Sep-2006 10:53:32 -0400 >From: "Bresnahan, C. Jeff (Athletic)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Scott Ryan Grandt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Sam Wheeler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: <[email protected]> >Subject: RE: [ICSA] New rule for team uniforms? > > >I think that the development funds will help, but it is not the answer. >What is the long term answer for an organization that has Varsity and >Club teams competing in the same Division? > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Ryan Grandt >Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 7:52 AM >To: Sam Wheeler >Cc: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [ICSA] New rule for team uniforms? > >Hello Sam, > >One other thing, that has been mentioned before, but should be >reiterated is >that ICSA and the different districts have developmental funds for >smaller >teams for who this new rule may create an unnecessary burden. I am not >sure >of the process for acquiring this sort of funding but I imagine your >District Secretary would have a good understanding of the process. Also >keep in mind you only need as many pinnies as you will have sailors on >the >water at any given point. This could be as few as 4. Thanks again for >your >input and I would ask that you forward the emails you've recieved from >smaller teams to me or another undergraduate rep (to my regular email as >opposed to the listserve) so their views can be noted as well. > >-Scott > >- >Scott Ryan Grandt > >Inter-Collegiate Sailing Association >Vice-President > > > >On 9/6/06, Sam Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Thanks for the quick response Scott. I still think there a some >> problems with this plan, and from the emails I have received in the >> past hour or so apparently some of the other smaller teams feel the >> same way. Just to take one smaller point, you suggest buying >> undershirts and writing UCLA on the back if we're short on cash. >> This demonstrates one of the downsides of the pinnies: they further >> underscore the divide between large- and small-budget teams. If >> we're competing in Sharpied undershirts, that definitely doesn't make >> our team look good. >> >> Also, in our case, the biggest problem we have is not a lack of >> understanding, it is a lack of money to go around in our club sports >> program. Our school would love to give us more money, but the >> money's not there. I don't think wearing jerseys is going to change >> that, and I don't think we're alone in this scenario. I feel that in >> a lot of cases when people are trying to start new teams, the biggest >> problem is that schools do not want to commit to a team that is by >> definition going to be relatively high maintenance. Adding more >> costs only makes that harder. >> >> For $400 ($20x20 people) we could replace some of our standing >> rigging so we don't have any more masts fall down this year, buy some >> used sails, maybe even without any duct tape, pay for gas to an extra >> regatta or two, or excuse a less wealthy member of our team from >> paying dues so that s/he can continue to sail. All of these seem >> more important to me than how easily spectators can identify us. For >> the amount of money that would be saved if the ICSA didn't invest in >> this, we could be sure that new and struggling teams have the >> resources they need to compete. >> >> Since I have been at UCLA, my team has missed one district meeting of >> any kind. It will not happen again. >> >> I appreciate your advice and taking the time to respond to me. And >> my team will comply with this rule. But, as a member of the >> currently shrinking Pacific Coast district, it seems misguided to me >> to mandate increased costs for a hypothetical and intangible result >> when there are concrete steps that could be taken to solve immediate >> problems. >> >> Sam Wheeler >> Captain >> UCLA Sailing Team >> >> >> On Sep 5, 2006, at 9:26 PM, Scott Ryan Grandt wrote: >> >> > Sam, >> > >> > As a small team leader I understand your concerns. As one of the >> > team leaders at Cornell, I understand the constant struggle to have >> > enough funds to support a club team. What you may not be aware of >> > is often times bigger teams face the same struggles. In the case >> > of the pinnie the cost/benefits were looked at very closely. The >> > cost is very low, at the minimum you could go to Wallmart and buy >> > some undershirts and write your team names on them, at most you are >> > paying 20 dollars for a high quality custom pinnie. This is less >> > than you will pay for any other piece of sailing gear from gloves >> > to spray tops to a team hat. Now what is the sport gaining from >> > this? There is lots to be gained. Including increased exposure. >> > The biggest problem sailing teams run into with funding is that >> > sports officials at universities do not understand the sport. >> > Having a team "uniform" is one more way we make sailing more >> > mainstream. If sailing were to become more mainstream than the >> > likelihood of your club team receiving more funding or even >> > changing status to varsity would likely increase. While the pinnie >> > will not change things overnight, it is one step of many that ICSA >> > is trying to take to improve the image and increase the >> > similarities between college sailing and other college sports. >> > >> > Now if you still completely disagree with the pinnie etc than I >> > offer you this suggestion, become more involved in your district's >> > (Conference's) leadership. Go to your local meetins, talk with >> > your reps, let them know what you think should happen with the >> > sport. The attendence at these meetings can be low, so by becoming >> > an elected rep you have can be presented with an opportunity to >> > greatly impact the sport. >> > >> > If you are looking for a company to do your pinnies, Cornell also >> > used the company that Joe Sullivan from Fordham mentioned, reliable >> > racing, and were very pleased with the results. >> > >> > -Scott Grandt >> > >> > -- >> > Scott Ryan Grandt >> > >> > Inter-Collegiate Sailing Association (ICSA) >> > Vice-President >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Cell:562-754-1555 >> >> ________________________________________________ >> icsa mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.collegesailing.org/mailman/?listname=icsa >> >________________________________________________ >icsa mailing list >[email protected] >http://www.collegesailing.org/mailman/?listname=icsa > >________________________________________________ >icsa mailing list >[email protected] >http://www.collegesailing.org/mailman/?listname=icsa > > ---------End of Included Message---------- Erin Harper ----------------------------------- PR/ Membership: BGSU Sailing Club 2006 Commodore: BGSU Sailing Club 2005 Phi Eta Sigma Cirlcle Kiwanis ________________________________________________ icsa mailing list [email protected] http://www.collegesailing.org/mailman/?listname=icsa
