Dave Crayford asks: "Take the dinosaur test. Do you use Git?" I do and the z/OS port is something I'm trying to get younger guys to use at our shop.
I can't even get limited use of SCLM in to our guys modus operandi, something I've used for a number of years. We used to use Subversion for management of our code under early versions of Eclipse. One reason I don't upgrade certain machines is that so much stuff breaks on o/s upgrades, I use what worked in 2008 (Windows Vista). Now that Win 7 is written off, I have one Win 10 machine, the rest are olde but newer than my car. Fortunately the car works fine and parts are available. On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 1:53 PM David Crayford <dcrayf...@gmail.com> wrote: > I agree. I'm not knocking ISPF! I use it a lot, mainly SDSF as I use GUI > editors. The rest of the time I spend in a UNIX terminal shell using a > CLI. For a lot of tasks ISPF is the best tool for the job. > > BTW, calling a mainframer a dinosaur is not commonly considered an insult > ;) > > On 2020-03-30 10:36 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > Not all change is progress. I like to be an early adopter, but if the > latest thing on the block is garbage then call me a dynosaur - I won't use > it voluntarily. If an old language or old tool suits my needs, I won't drop > it just because it's out of fashion. ISPF have flaws, but they also have > strengths; I will continue to use them when it makes sense to do so. > Amusingly enough, some of the "modern" software that I'm supposed to put up > with is itself pretty long in the tooth. > > > > Note; I don't like Perl syntax, but I use it anyway - because it offers > me enough that I'm willing to put up with it. > > > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > ________________________________________ > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on > behalf of David Crayford [dcrayf...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 10:08 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: strange python announcement > > > > On 2020-03-30 2:43 AM, Charles Mills wrote: > >>> There's no advantage to REXX anymore, as fine a language as it is. > >> is not entirely true, right? Three advantages of Rexx would be native > support of EBCDIC, native support of xSAM, and straightforward invocation > from TSO? Right? > >> > >> Again, not trying to pick a fight, just trying to understand. > >> > >> Here's my motivation: I am trying to avoid dinosaurization. I am trying > to answer the questions "am I being an old fuddy-duddy for sticking with > Rexx over Python? Should I make an effort to embrace Python for the tasks > where I now tend to turn to Rexx?" > > Take the dinosaur test. Do you use Git? > > > >> And it sounds like the answer is No. Whatever dinosaurism I exhibit is > in sticking with TSO and ISPF, not in sticking with Rexx. (For what it's > worth, when I speak with customer personnel, 100% of them, to a man or > woman, seems to assume the computer world revolves around TSO for sysprogs > and batch for production -- so it makes sense for me to be most conversant > with those environments.) > > Is that a stereotype? I see a lot of young people working on mainframes > > (boths sysprogs and applications guys) who use modern tooling. The > > editor of choice is vscode with plugins > > > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1eIMQVsY7papmDtxqCBNMtk8g2ijtX3gdC-KYp-U82BZB_h_XlDZr0OaMObgz7nd8eXAc-jU8QAEt7woLv9kmVJDrSSIdqzDkCWmphIKeQlM_Ps9C3kTjHGVqlHyN1nRHilDZkF0vOf6lhMBgJjMtxofAu5JLIFLg-LtgkKSJrV2tbphEqczI0V7DjOhJl9Yktdsu127NS0ya86Ov4_v514dAIc8m40U7UHmbzQC3qcJfvPjP_1UgWuyuCgpNdnIaYrFL4-wD3BLCFp5gB7nTJ4xroq46UF88qrnKX268AWvKt_Y6DJ3oH2YbA7nDF8aO4s3hgJ4vPRwp9-I9lj73IVkvMD8HAWDWmh6NR7z40htLyMbTNcps78RxBjzs-QRw-OYb24MS1znrVMOx6MtPgP_A4paM-tyyf_Yw9dUNvAAibKMUQgFpErMz916saybS6pB7JqkgzrhbPeeSoAz6Qw/https%3A%2F%2Fibm.github.io%2Fzopeneditor-about%2F > . > > You can deploy editor instances on the cloud using Eclipse Che with a > > web based UI. The mainframe has to keep up with the pace of > > modernization or it will slowly wither on the vine as no young person > > will want to work on it. > > The editor is just an example. Languages and tools are just as important > > as the IDE. > > > > > >> It also sounds like learning Python would not be a bad thing, but that > it would probably make more sense to become familiar first on an > interactive ASCII platform, and then perhaps bring the skills I learn there > to Z -- rather than starting out by trying to solve Z problems in an > unfamiliar environment with an unfamiliar language. 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