Seymour, Me too, I don’t mind helping at all. I will be first to say I don’t know let me look it up or ask someone who knows more.
Scott On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 2:59 PM Seymour J Metz <sme...@gmu.edu> wrote: > Oh, I'm all for people learning. My problem is with the people who don't > learn but pretend that they did. If someone politely expresses an interst > in learning something and I have the experience and free time to help, then > I'll cheerfully extend a hand. Sometimes all I will have time for is to > point him to a reference, other times I will do more. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > ________________________________________ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf > of Vernooij, Kees (ITOP NM) - KLM <kees.verno...@klm.com> > Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 2:34 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Misuse of the word hexadecimnal (Was RE: COPYING PDS TO PDS > ...) > > Thanks. > Again, one is never too old to learn, even at 98.5% of one's mainframe > career. > > Kees. > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > Sent: 05 December 2019 19:49 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Misuse of the word hexadecimnal (Was RE: COPYING PDS TO PDS > ...) > > The industry has long been afflicted by people slinging around words whose > meanings they don't know. "Hexadecimal value" is just the tip of the > iceberg. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > ________________________________________ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf > of Charles Mills <charl...@mcn.org> > Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 1:01 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Misuse of the word hexadecimnal (Was RE: COPYING PDS TO PDS ...) > > "Hexadecimal" might be the most misused word in our industry. "Any > hexadecimal character" -- umm, can you give me an example of a > non-hexadecimal character? Is x'C1' a hexadecimal character? Sure looks > like hex to me. > > Hexadecimal is a *method of representation*. If I have a byte that > contains b'0101 1010' that is kind of a tedious way of writing it. The > industry formerly used octal and wrote it as 0132 but that is kind of > tedious and maps poorly to 8-bit (as opposed to 6-bit) characters. x'5A' > conveys it fairly well. That method of conveyance is called hexadecimal. > The byte is not hexadecimal: it's the same byte as it was when I wrote it > as b'0101 1010'. > > "Non-printable" (or sometimes non-alphanumeric/national) is the word > people are looking for. No byte is hexadecimal. All byte values may be > represented in hexadecimal. > > Charles > > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin > Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 9:39 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: COPYING PDS TO PDS ... > > On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 07:18:11 +0000, Vernooij, Kees (ITOP NM) - KLM wrote: > > >Jeez Gil, > > > >There is nothing restrictive to 'hexadecimal', only to 'any' or 'some'. > >Between quotes you can put *any* hex char in a dsname, without quotes you > can use only the *alphanumeric* hex chars. (And you *can* of course use all > 256, if you accept JCL errors). > > > What meaning does "hexadecimal" add in "any hexadecimal character" Is it > any > different from "any character"? If not, "hexadecimal" is a noise word. > > I'm similarly perplexed by IBM's frequent usage, as in: > > https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.1.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1.ieaa200/ENQ_Description.htm > ... 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