If only I could remember the first thing :). MVS 3.8j if my Googling served me correctly. Thanks for keeping me honest.
Matt Hogstrom > On Jan 8, 2019, at 17:36, Seymour J Metz <sme...@gmu.edu> wrote: > > There is no " MVS/SP 3.8". They say that the memory is the second thing to go. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > ________________________________________ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf of > Matt Hogstrom <m...@hogstrom.org> > Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2019 5:28 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Zowe? > > I meant MVS/SP 3.8. I can’t remember if that was the last release or the > first OCO but that was the timeframe I was referring to. > > Matt Hogstrom > m...@hogstrom.org > PGP Key: 0x90ECB270 > > “Quantity has a quality all its own.” > — Joseph Stalin > >>> On Jan 8, 2019, at 4:47 PM, Seymour J Metz <sme...@gmu.edu> wrote: >>> >>> Z/OS back in the pre-OCO SP3.8 days >> >> WTF is "SP3.8". I might believe OS/VS2 Release 3.8, or MVS/SP V3 (MVS/ESA), >> there was no SP version with 8 releases. >> >>> was “open source” if you call fiche open source. >> >> There were optional source material tapes. >> >> -- >> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz >> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 <http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3> >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> <mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU>> on behalf of Matt Hogstrom >> <m...@hogstrom.org <mailto:m...@hogstrom.org>> >> Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 9:34 PM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU <mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> >> Subject: Re: Zowe? >> >> You are correct David, thanks. I was the proud recipient of a kidney stone >> Sunday night so my response is a bit delayed. >> >> It looks like most of the questions / comments were answered. If you want >> further information please let me know and I’ll provide the best info I can. >> >> I recall someone made the comment that “it’s open source so its good”. Z/OS >> back in the pre-OCO SP3.8 days was “open source” if you call fiche open >> source. A lot of products shipped source and patched (I recall the days of >> installing UCC-1, 7 and 11). Hopefully what we’ll see is a return to >> community code for the platform as a framework and collection of services >> through Zowe. At least that is my intent. Honestly, our biggest challenge >> now is how to make z/OS instances available to college students that are >> interested in getting involved. It’s. A good problem to have. >> >> Matt Hogstrom >> m...@hogstrom.org >> PGP Key: 0x90ECB270 >> >> "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.” >> - Hanlon’s Razor >> >>> On Jan 7, 2019, at 9:20 AM, David Crayford <dcrayf...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:dcrayf...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> I can't speak for Matt but... >>> >>>> On 7/01/2019 2:06 pm, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: >>>> Matt, >>>> >>>> Thanks for the extended and detailed response. There are many of us out >>>> here who are still wondering what this project really is. >>>> >>>> First, a caution: Please, please define your acronyms the first time you >>>> use them. E.G., what is JWT? Most of us (well, this application >>>> programmer in particular) have no idea what that is. Java Work Tooling? >>>> I am left to guess. >>> >>> JWT stands for JSON Web Token >>> https://secure-web.cisco.com/1hzESW405S3yCRXd7jA4kv2viCea1tbFLtM_dzV8ACj7rulnm1shO0iZKtjnt0V-ay1gFCN6h_5Yui7KvNa3TyY6rtzF3CiZCH74ZoN6TGiub28r2ggAIrVVzg5lN8vQjDLNnTsgyMUAJpv7oNJDiWIeVC86tDLkghqJJpLfksGzuGiuN9_r2s91wD3z4hwM3XJZbcOBSbnkDotirYfeYP9P0YJptJfhQCdbXnuFzOsY6fs7bDan0qxm3Hrr9jZFkpbVV7_IwfosLzTEYi-U0eDyNqDZHcAj63Kj0DzFQKhyUYhM-tXlpFOCiOV3w6L2C8HxYXDX_EoO6dWm9Rt6lt7E17vgDcXvDpD3OJK_GoQbkPshy5jMemgopbW1eulRsLRCCnslcSmhDZ5IGtUReJJKQ58K9EFBsqXB0qrYoeKgYjva3SLX2HjrnymA8Vsa5/https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FJSON_Web_Token >>> >>> <https://secure-web.cisco.com/1hzESW405S3yCRXd7jA4kv2viCea1tbFLtM_dzV8ACj7rulnm1shO0iZKtjnt0V-ay1gFCN6h_5Yui7KvNa3TyY6rtzF3CiZCH74ZoN6TGiub28r2ggAIrVVzg5lN8vQjDLNnTsgyMUAJpv7oNJDiWIeVC86tDLkghqJJpLfksGzuGiuN9_r2s91wD3z4hwM3XJZbcOBSbnkDotirYfeYP9P0YJptJfhQCdbXnuFzOsY6fs7bDan0qxm3Hrr9jZFkpbVV7_IwfosLzTEYi-U0eDyNqDZHcAj63Kj0DzFQKhyUYhM-tXlpFOCiOV3w6L2C8HxYXDX_EoO6dWm9Rt6lt7E17vgDcXvDpD3OJK_GoQbkPshy5jMemgopbW1eulRsLRCCnslcSmhDZ5IGtUReJJKQ58K9EFBsqXB0qrYoeKgYjva3SLX2HjrnymA8Vsa5/https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FJSON_Web_Token> >>> which are used for authentication for web services. This is a huge upgrade >>> on z/OSMF which uses a proprietary method based upon Websphere. >>> Everybody writing clients for REST APIs understands JWTs. >>> >>>> Another couple of examples: "HTML5 enabled desktop". Does that mean code >>>> that runs in a browser on my desktop? "WebSocket enabled APIs"? Same >>>> question. >>> >>> HTLM5 is current standard for web browsers, so enough said. Web sockets are >>> used to send data from a server to a client (usually a browser) over a >>> stream. WebSockets server can send data, such as performance data, SMF etc >>> to multiple clients without being polled. Huge performance benefits. >>> >>>> >>>> I thought I grokked this one: "JES Explorer (GUI to interact with JES much >>>> like a Finder or Explorer on Windows would work" until the next sentence: >>>> "web interface that doesn’t require 3270 to submit, etc.". Again, does >>>> that mean a separate program like Windows Explorer, or just a new browser >>>> interface? >>>> >>>> It would help greatly if there was a video demonstration of these >>>> capabilities. Did any of the Zowe presentations at SHARE include live >>>> online demonstrations of already-available capabilities, and if so are >>>> those video's available through SHARE or on the Zowe website? >>>> >>>> For the application programmer (not for the systems gurus who maintain the >>>> environment) what is the experience intended to be? I'm not from anywhere >>>> near Missouri, but I really need to be shown how what Zowe is touting >>>> could help me in my everyday work. >>>> >>>> If I understand it, perhaps I can make a case to my management. But first >>>> I have to understand it. >>>> >>>> Still somewhat confused . . . >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On >>>> Behalf Of Matt Hogstrom >>>> Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 6:16 PM >>>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >>>> Subject: Re: Zowe? >>>> >>>> Not to mention the difference between nappies and diapers. >>>> >>>> Zowe is an open source project created to host technologies that benefit >>>> the Z platform from all members of the Z community (ISV’s and consumers). >>>> The initial code base was seeded with technologies from CA Technologies, >>>> IBM and Rocket. Each of us had developed capabilities that we wanted to >>>> use to enhance the platform but proprietary products were not the way to >>>> create an eco-system; creating proprietary products was just BAU. We >>>> needed to see if such a community was viable and so each contributed a set >>>> of technology and we worked through the legal issues of moving what was >>>> new and some long-standing code to an EPL-2.0 license which allows anyone >>>> to consume and use the code. The choice of three was more about being able >>>> to manage the issues of community formation and not in any way to be >>>> exclusive. Three was a lot of work and we now have a good framework >>>> (legal, governance, hosting, etc.) to start with. >>>> >>>> A late addition by CA was the addition of the Mediation Layer which we are >>>> using to federate a number of platform services. We have an advanced use >>>> of JWT that allows for accessing multiple services only requiring a user >>>> to sign-on once. This is ahead of platform goals of using JWT in the >>>> Security Managers. Open source allows us to experiment and deliver >>>> capabilities faster than traditional development methods and delivery >>>> streams on Z. >>>> >>>> The initial contributions were the CLI and some VS Code extensions from >>>> CA, WebSocket enabled APIs from IBM and a HTML5 enabled desktop that >>>> allowed for hosting multiple Angular applications. Consider these >>>> contributions to be more of the framework for enabling access to Z on-top >>>> of which new applications can be built. The applications that are >>>> provided as of now and a few more candidates for 1.0 later this month are: >>>> >>>> CLI plugins (Console, TSO, file, JES interface, etc.) where developers >>>> that are not accustomed to Z can interact using their shell of choice (we >>>> expect most people to be some bash variant). This interface uses direct >>>> z/OSMF APIs for these services. >>>> >>>> JES Explorer (GUI to interact with JES much like a Finder or Explorer on >>>> Windows would work). Simple and familiar web interface that doesn’t >>>> require 3270 to submit, retrieve check status on jobs, etc. >>>> >>>> MVS and USS explorer. Provides access for retrieving / sending files to >>>> and from the z/OS system. Again, very Finder / Explorer like. A >>>> significant advantage here is the applications run in an HTML 5 framework >>>> and eliminate the maintenance of Java and other frameworks on desktops. >>>> There are a number of customers that are looking to eliminate Desktop >>>> dependencies around Java. >>>> >>>> Contextual Editor (allows for editing and updating with a context >>>> sensitive editor that is extensible with a language server). >>>> >>>> TN3270 Emulator - fully functional 3270 emulator that runs in the desktop. >>>> All models supported. No client install needed. >>>> >>>> Some applications that I’m working on are an IPL explorer that will >>>> interrogate the systems in a Plex and navigate the rats nest of Parmiib >>>> members. Doing this at night so going is a bit slow right now. >>>> >>>> Other products are using Zowe capabilities like the IBM Db2 Dev/Ops >>>> experience as well as the OMEGAMON for Storage. Other products are coming >>>> as well. >>>> >>>> The best way I have to describe Zowe is that its like Mac or Windows where >>>> they come with a set of APIs and OS capabilities that applications build >>>> on and include some applications out of the box like described above. >>>> >>>> The goal is to innovate faster, in the open under the oversight of a >>>> community that vets the code, verifies its source and tests what is >>>> delivered. >>>> >>>> Sorry for the long response to the WTF question but I think it was a fair >>>> question that deserved a response. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the >>>> addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. >>>> If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an >>>> authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby >>>> notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly >>>> prohibited. 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