Jerry, I am with you too. I will relate a story I started out as a VMer early ‘80s and was taught to know the commands being issued versus using an exec or clist to accomplish the same task. I am not much a fan of the PC slam dunk artists who feel Java is the answer to everything. We use GIT also but it has its own issues related to people’s expertise using it. If the folks using it are experienced and careful and responsible , great , all for it. We had to write a CI process because new deal with a lot of z/OS’s , so the process was written in respec and is triggered off a GIT PR. This is also Working well. I am all for easy as long as people hare careful.
Scott An older t-Rex On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 9:15 AM Sean Gleann <[email protected]> wrote: > Jerry Callen [email protected] via > <https://support.google.com/mail/answer/1311182?hl=en-GB> ua.edu > 13:38 (34 minutes ago) > to IBM-MAIN > On Sun, Sep 2, 2018, 9:56 AM Bruce Armstrong <[email protected]> wrote: > > > If you know what ISPF is and are happy with it ....you may not be the > > target market for Zowe. Zowe is primarily targeted for the "next gen" > > sysprog who does not have 30+ years of learning the the nuances of > > z/OS and ISPF. > > Or - maybe you are the target market, but don't yet know it. > > I *DO* have many years of experience with z/OS -- I learned to program in > PL/I and assembler on OS/MVT in the early 1970s and was a systems > programmer through the mid 1980s. I've worked on more modern z/OS systems > for the past 4 years. > > I also have many years of experience with both Unix and Windows systems. > It's that experience that makes me so excited about the potential of Zowe. > It's providing a framework for bringing highly-evolved system management > tools of all kinds to z/OS. This will ultimately make the systems > programmer's job easier. That's not a bad thing. > > "...it's time for established z/OS programmers to start adopting tools and > practices from other platforms, too." > > > Well said, Jerry! > ...and I'm glad I'm retiring soon... :) > > On Wed, 5 Sep 2018 at 14:10, Seymour J Metz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I agree that programmers should adopt tools from other platforms, but > only > > when they are appropriate tools for the job at hand, not simply because > > they are in style. A good hammer is an essential tool, but it's a > terrible > > screwdriver. > > > > When it comes to configuration control and serialization tools, the > > infrastructure had better match the tool set or chaos will result. I'd > > advise looking at things on a project by project basis and concentrate on > > selecting appropriate tools for new projects rather than making > disruptive > > changes to old projects. > > > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > ________________________________________ > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on behalf > > of Jerry Callen <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 8:37 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: Zowe for systems programmer ? > > > > On Sun, Sep 2, 2018, 9:56 AM Bruce Armstrong <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > If you know what ISPF is and are happy with it ....you may not be the > > > target market for Zowe. Zowe is primarily targeted for the "next gen" > > > sysprog who does not have 30+ years of learning the the nuances of > > > z/OS and ISPF. > > > > Or - maybe you are the target market, but don't yet know it. > > > > I *DO* have many years of experience with z/OS -- I learned to program in > > PL/I and assembler on OS/MVT in the early 1970s and was a systems > > programmer through the mid 1980s. I've worked on more modern z/OS systems > > for the past 4 years. > > > > I also have many years of experience with both Unix and Windows systems. > > It's that experience that makes me so excited about the potential of > Zowe. > > It's providing a framework for bringing highly-evolved system management > > tools of all kinds to z/OS. This will ultimately make the systems > > programmer's job easier. That's not a bad thing. > > > > It's not just that the "next gen" programmers need to learn z/OS -- it's > > time for established z/OS programmers to start adopting tools and > practices > > from other platforms, too. > > > > -- Jerry > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Scott Ford IDMWORKS z/OS Development ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
