David, I'm pretty sure that I'm wasting my time trying to convince anyone here, but I can't imagine ever going back to writing code with ISPF. Once you get hooked on syntax-directed editing, code completion, being able to quickly navigate function/variable uses<->defs, etc... you'll never want to go back. Not to mention diff/merge tools like Meld (which is some really incredible Python).
Since I'm more interested in attracting new developers to z/OS, I would like to see better ways to use modern IDEs/tools with z/OS than I am to use traditional mainframe tools (like ISPF) somewhere else. Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http://dovetail.com On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 9:41 PM, David Crayford <[email protected]> wrote: > On 16/03/2018 6:53 AM, Lester, Bob wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I've been working on Mainframe since 1979. I love this thread. >> >> Here's my idea. IBM should focus on building a World Class unix, >> and provide full, seamless (TSO/ISPF ported to the dark side) access to the >> classic side of z/OS for those that need it. >> > > Rocket have a decent port of Vim for z/OS UNIX which I've been using for > months now. Can't say I miss ISPF when I'm working in the shell. > > > Totally different model, but..... >> >> Thanks! >> BobL >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Steve Smith >> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 4:47 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: z/OS "interactive computing" - AKA TSO/ISPF or UNIX shell [ >> EXTERNAL ] >> >> You really need at least two TSO sessions (per system), and some here >> have up to six or so. As far as I know, that still requires multiple logon >> IDs. >> >> sas >> >> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 3:22 PM, John McKown < >> [email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 1:03 PM, Tom Marchant < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> ... >>> >>> >> Another reason that I like the UNIX shell is that I can have a number >>> of them all going at once (telnet or ssh multiple times) so that a >>> "long running" command does not stop me from doing other things. ISPF >>> can't really process its multiple screens well. I.e. I can't do a REXX >>> exec in an edit session (issuing a lot of ISREDIT commands, perhaps >>> looping) and, while that is running, swap screens over to SDSF to see >>> how a batch job is running and examine its output. >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send >> email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> This e-mail transmission may contain information that is proprietary, >> privileged and/or confidential and is intended exclusively for the >> person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any use, copying, retention or >> disclosure by any person other than the intended recipient or the intended >> recipient's designees is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended >> recipient or their designee, please notify the sender immediately by return >> e-mail and delete all copies. OppenheimerFunds may, at its sole discretion, >> monitor, review, retain and/or disclose the content of all email >> communications. >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
