On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 23:59:54 +0000, Seymour J Metz wrote:

>I understand where the vendors are coming from, but that does not mean that 
>I'm willing to assume a risk for their convenience. Given two products of 
>comparable cost and functionality, I'll always opt for the one without keys, 
>except in the unlikely case of a vendor willing to contractually guaranty 
>indemnification when the key software interferes with legitimate use. Tony 
>seems to be unable to see things from the customer's perspective.
> 
And it's unusual for consequential damages to be covered.  Most probably, the 
supplier
will agree only to waive the license fee for the duration of the outage.

At the most recent change of my employer's ownership, the acquiring company
directed that all licensing paraphernalia be removed from our products.

>________________________________________
>From: Tony Thigpen
>Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 2:22 PM
>
>You knowledge of music copyright is incorrect. In many cases it *does* matter 
>what equipment.
>
>I am involved with the copyright issues with songs at our church.
> 
It's unlikely that a mishap would result in unavailability.  If  your copy of
the license (analogous to "key") were lost or destroyed, or casualty forced
you to relocate the service, would you redact that service, omitting
licensed material until the vendor could issue a new license?

>Seymour J Metz wrote on 02/26/2018 12:48 PM:
>>
>> Software keys, OTOH, can and have caused problems for legitimate users. Some 
>> are more reliable than others, but I see nothing wrong with a shop refusing 
>> to use a product because they are not willing to assume the risk. If you are 
>> really confident that there is no risk, add an indemnification clause to 
>> your contract and I'll take your confidence seriously. If you don't trust it 
>> enough to have such a clause, why should a potential customer trust it?
>> 
Interesting point.  In its early days, Apple offered only a 90-day warranty,
saying,  "Our products rarely break after more than 90 days, so customers
shouldn't be concerned."

>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: Charles Mills
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2018 12:47 PM
>>>
>>> Most customers are honest -- beyond honest to the point of
>>> paranoia -- but a few are not. And honest customers sometimes make
>>> honest mistakes.
>>>
Quite so.  We once neglected to read the fine print which restricted not
which processor was running the software but rather in which county
the programmer's chair was.  We negotiated an amendment.

And a while ago I was astonished to learn in this list of a product that was
licensed not according to which processor ran it, but according to the source
of its input data.

-- gil

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