Of course Barbara is right. Operlog for the same reIPL I quoted in my previous 
post shows the full sequence of shutdown messages pretty much up to the XCF 
wait state. So there is a clear advantage to letting operlog run right up to 
the edge of the cliff. Do not shut it down. 

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J.O.Skip Robinson
Southern California Edison Company
Electric Dragon Team Paddler 
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Subject: Re: Vary OPEERLOG offline before IPLing the system?

> OTOH, it's not clear what happens to OPERLOG messages after JES terminates. 
> They're probably captured in a CF structure, but would we have access to that 
> data after system shutdown?  
Assuming that operlog is not varied off, operlog merrily goes on recording 
everything that goes on after JES terminates. Operlog stops recording only once 
it gets the notification that the system is about to be wait stated. On that 
notification, all buffers (from either CF or DASD only) are hardened for all 
log streams. 
In the case of a DASD-only logstream (and presumably monoplex) you will have 
access once the system comes back up. In a sysplex (with CF logstreams) you 
have access all along.

To the OP:
Having seen enough asinine automation - are you sure that removing operlog 
right before JES wasn't done when operlog was first introduced, on the 
erroneous assumption that it would behave just like syslog and 'needs to be 
shut down'? I see no benefit in not having operlog until the very end, in fact, 
I insisted on activating DASD-only operlog even in the monoplexes to see what 
goes on after JES shuts down. That way I found the cause of some abend during z 
eod.

Barbara

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