The theoretical worst case for a TSO pack is that every track on the volume 
could be a single-track data set, except for the following:  volume label 
track, VTOC, VTOC index, and VVDS.  And each such single-track data set would 
need at least one DSCB (Format 1) record in the VTOC, and you can only get 
about 50 of them on each VTOC track. 

Bill Fairchild 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Ed Gould" <edgould1...@comcast.net> 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2014 1:44:08 PM 
Subject: Re: Implicit VVDS creation 

Doug: 

Any TSO pack is a mandatory larger VTOC and a larger VVDS. 

A *LONG* time ago I had a TSO pack that needed a 5 cylinder vtoc. I   
don't expect that has changed and if SMS managed a larger than   
typical VVDS as well. 

Ed 

On Feb 6, 2014, at 1:31 PM, Doug Fuerst wrote: 

>  It's true, but I get alot of datasets in a small VTOC too. I can't   
> actually recall ever having to allocate a VVDS except for a very   
> special situation. 
> 
> Doug 
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> Doug Fuerst 
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> ------ Original Message ------ 
> From: "Ed Gould" <edgould1...@comcast.net> 
> To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu 
> Sent: 2/6/2014 1:47:17 PM 
> Subject: Re: Implicit VVDS creation 
> 
>> Doug: 
>> 
>> Somewhere along the line I though SMS datasets requires an entry   
>> for each one. 
>> 
>> Ed 
>> On Feb 6, 2014, at 12:25 PM, Doug Fuerst wrote: 
>> 
>>> You have that many VSAM datsets on a volume? 
>>> 10 tracks holds a fair amount of data for a VVDS. 
>>> 
>>> Doug 
>>> 
>>> Doug Fuerst 
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>>> 
>>> ------ Original Message ------ 
>>> From: "David G. Schlecht" <dschle...@admin.nv.gov> 
>>> To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu 
>>> Sent: 2/6/2014 12:55:12 PM 
>>> Subject: Re: Implicit VVDS creation 
>>> 
>>>> Hold the presses! The documents for v1r13 say the VVDSSIZE   
>>>> defaults to TRKS(10 10). Holy cow, that's a whole lot less than   
>>>> 10 cylinders. 
>>>> 
>>>> One would think that at 10 tracks, the VVDS would run out of   
>>>> space (and extents) quite frequently but I don't see this being   
>>>> a frequent topic on IBM-MAIN. 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  snip>>> 
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