Reading Andrew's reply I'd like to point out that when I was selecting software 
products the availability of having a SMPe install and maintenance process 
weighed heavily in the choices I made as it meant much better controlled (and 
documentable) maintenance processes. The fact that IBM now delivers pre built 
SMPe doesn't change the fact that after install maintenance is back to 
Apply/Accept and pre-reqs/co-reqs.

Jerry Whitteridge
Sr Manager Managed Services
Tech Operations & Innovation
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480 578 7889

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Andrew Rowley
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2025 3:11 PM
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Subject: EXTERNAL Email: Re: Variables in SMP/E JCLIN records?

On 20/11/2025 7:46 am, Phil Smith III wrote:
> I see no ddname there? The point is that there are hundreds of routines in 
> those libraries, so we want it to resolve automatically, not require a 
> zillion INCLUDE statements. Plus the entry point names are largely > 8 bytes, 
> which is why it's in USS: we used to do a horrible hack where we'd just copy 
> all the object decks into one huge MVS member and INCLUDE that, but that 
> makes the executable bigger, with everything from the library included 
> whether it's used or not. This is code shared on various platforms, so 
> there's lots of unused stuff.

Does the install even need to be SMP/E? Would e.g. a non-SMP/E portable
software instance be easier for both you and your customers? Build on
your systems and deliver the results.

Even IBM has moved away from customers doing SMP/E installations. They
deliver pre-built SMP/E environments. If you don't need SMP/E for
maintenance, it might be more trouble than it's worth.

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Andrew Rowley
Black Hill Software

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