> On 10 Sep 2025, at 07:23, Seymour J Metz <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Shirley you know

Are you using voice to text :)

> that not only is that not true but that IEBUPDATE and IEBUPDTE have nothing 
> to do with VM service.
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>> On Tue, 9 Sep 2025 19:42:28 +0000, Seymour J Metz <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Right of the bat, that process works at the granularity of an entire member.
>> With XEDIT it's easy to have multiple people testing changes to the same
>> member with a merge process that's normally very quick.
> 
> Surely you must know that IEBUPDTE / VMFUPDAT is considered unreliable for 
> critical system components when trying to allow multiple users changing a 
> member at the same time. Maybe things have changed but I suspect not. 
> IEBUPDTE & VMFUPDAT existed for decades and product build never implemented 
> the process.
> 
> It requires the developer consider every change since the source was pulled. 
> It's much simpler to come to an agreement than chasing down changes. If 
> IEBUPDTE was the solution, then it could be used.
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