4341 definitely laid on its side. Worked at a site in 1983 that had two 4341s, shared SPOOL and MVS SP 1.x (again). If I remember correctly, there was a direct connection for the console. I was told that the 3090s used 43xx for the processor controller. The same person told me that the 308x used 8100s for the processor controller.
"Confidentially doc, I am the wabbit." Bugs Bunny Sent with Proton Mail secure email. On Thursday, July 31st, 2025 at 2:36 PM, Pommier, Rex <00000737643a508d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Can't vouch for the 31 and 41, but the 81 was definitely an upright cabinet. > Everything in our DC with "IBM" on it was tall except the 3174 controllers. > Had a little NCR 10000 minicomputer sitting in the corner that you could trip > on if you weren't paying attention. Couldn't miss the "big blue" stuff. > > Rex > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf Of Len > Rugen > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2025 1:24 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: 4381 capacity and performance > > It may have depended which OS was ran. The first one I ran was VM/SP with an > OS/VS1 guest. I don't remember if we migrated to MVS, but I don't think so. > The other one I ran was VM/SP only. > > So 4331 and 4341 were "counter height" but 2-3 units long and the 4381 was a > 1 unit upright? > > I contracted to help a neighboring site recover their CICS install, someone > had deleted all DLIBS. They had a small 4300. I'd said we could do it in a > day, until I saw how slow their tape moved. It took over an hour just to > RECIEVE the tape :-) Remember "Meaningless Indicator of Processor Speed" :-) > Len Rugen > > rugenl at yahoo.com > > > > > On Thursday, July 31, 2025 at 11:27:27 AM CDT, rpinion865 > 0000042a019916dd-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote: > > > In 1981, running IMS/DB/DC TSO/SPF (not ISPF), IMS MPPs, and batch on > 370/168. MVS SP 1.x. > > "Confidentially doc, I am the wabbit." > > Bugs Bunny > > Sent from Proton Mail Android > > > -------- Original Message -------- > On 7/31/25 6:03 PM, Pommier, Rex > 00000737643a508d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote: > > > Guess the numbers I was given so many years ago for the models 13/24 may > > have been a bit off. This chart says 4.5 and 9.9 MIPS, I was told way back > > it was 3.3 and 8. In either case, a really small computer (by todays > > standards) to run a 400 bed hospital. > > > > Rex > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On > > Behalf Of Phil Smith III > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2025 10:46 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: 4381 capacity and performance > > > > That would explain our joy if so--we went from a 0.5MIPS Formation 4000 PCM > > to a 9370 (1 MIPS?) to a 4381-1 IIRC. > > > > BTW, > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.roylongbottom.org.uk/mips.htm__;!!KjMRP1Ixj6eLE0Fj!p5J4NkHQq9ilopVQNEwdZhKLBuIbSA-yNk4T4bKv11rtL0rmKeOGL_GfsclRyxfzGjwO-7PkYCEgyow$ > > shows MIPS including 9xE, though I expect Shmuel already saw that. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On > > Behalf Of Pommier, Rex > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2025 10:10 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: 4381 capacity and performance > > > > From ancient memory, the model 13 was rated at 3.3 MIPS and the 24 was 8 > > MIPS. They were the first 2 machines I worked on. IDK if that is > > extrapolatable to the relative performance your chart shows. I don't have > > documentation to verify these numbers. > > > > Rex > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On > > Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2025 9:00 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] 4381 capacity and performance > > > > Does anybody still have information on 4381 capacity and performance? I'm > > trying to update the table in > > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_4300*Processors__;Iw!!KjMRP1Ixj6eLE0Fj!sc4M3mw4glfrd9fmBhhs8PGbCZiVpOwijZLNtTbc5dnHYUu09TFgAm3sJOz6hyH8iWDjo7XlpnJTs-ujnw$ > > >, the 4381-MG91E/MG92E announcement doesn't mention storage capacity and > > I can't find the later model groups. > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) 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