Sorry for top posting... Let's address your comments one keyword at a time:
DELETE - deletes the source (input) dataset. Ouch! Lets not delete my SMP/E target libs during copy to my sysres set please! PURGE - overlays an output dataset that has an expiration date not yet reached. Not applicable. UNCOND - no such parm or abbreviation. I assume you mean replaceunconditional, and that is already being done and doesn't matter. The deficiency is DADSM. This is how DFSMSdss is handling this scenaro (it attempts to scratch the DSN to reallocate a bigger dsn on copy if required). DADSM can't scratch the DSN because the DSN is ENQ'd. ADR497E (001)-CATLG(07), A CATALOG ERROR OCCURRED WHILE DELETING UNCATALOGED DATA SET SYNCSORT.SYNCLINK. RETURN CODE IS 102, REASON CODE IS FP-007 You also will see: "ERROR OCCURRED WHILE DELETING UNCATALOGED DATA SET" Ironic since the CATALOG keyword is not used while copying over the indirectly catalogged dataset on the maintenance sysres set. Not sure what FDRCOPY does under the covers... no access right now try try and determine that. Perhaps it renames it first and deletes it with DADSM. But I know one does not need access to STGADMIN.DPDSRN.dsn_to_rename in order for it to work with FDRCOPY. Regards, Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS ITIL v3 Foundation Certified mailto:[email protected] Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://search390.techtarget.com/ateExperts/ On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 22:44:29 +0000, willie bunter <[email protected]> wrote: > I thought the UNCOND DELETE PURGE parms could be used along with the COPY > command > > On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 05:00:17 p.m. EDT, Mark Zelden > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi all, > >Please read / vote for this RFE. > > >"Provide abilty for DSS to be able to scratch and reallocate an in use data >set name that is not the actual dataset in use during a logical copy operation" > >https://ideas.ibm.com/ideas/ZOS-I-3862 > >I think you vote here: >https://ibm-z-hardware-and-operating-systems.ideas.ibm.com/ideas/ZOS-I-3862 > >I was honestly shocked this is not supported in DFDSS. I've been using FDR >for over 30 years for this. > >I don't know if you can see the entire text, so I will copy it below to >explain the issue, but in summary: > >If you are copying a dataset to a maintenance sysres (target sysres that will >be cloned) and that DSN >is ENQd, the copy will work - unless the dataset needs to be scratched / >reallocated because the >input dataset is larger than the output one that already exists. I've been >supporting clients for >30 years that keep ISV (and IBM non-OS) products as an extension of the sysres >and recently >ran into this at a client that dumped FDR since they had DFDSS and ran into >this problem. > >If you know a way around the issue - shoot! IBM says it is not supported. >You can delete the >not in use dataset after rename (if allowed) but that is error prone since you >have to point to >the maintenance volume and I don't want JR. people doing this. One other work >around is >after the logical copy fails, you can run it again as physical since the >dataset is enlarged >on the first try, but just fails in scratch. BTW, "CATALOG" is never used in >this copy since >the datasets are indirectly catalogged. > >Now for the RFE main part of the RFE text: > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Putting maintenance onto a "target" / maintenance sysres volume or set has >been an MVS concept and cloning an IPLable sysres set (or swapping IPL sets) >"forever" . Many shops also put other IBM products or ISV products on a >secondary / tertiary sysres and indirectly catalog them so they are on the >sysres set. This is the only way to support rolling IPLs in a sysplex so >there are not application outages (another MVS concept). Since those >secondary / tertiary volumes are a combination of products, adding new >datasets is done via logical copy of a product's target libraries to the >target / maintenance sysres and those datasets are indirectly catalogged using >a system symbol like &SYSR2, &SYSR3, etc. The copy to the "target" system >(maintenance sysres) works fine even if the same named dataset is in use on >the live sysres set (be it in the LNKLST, TSO PROC, STC STEPLIB etc.). >EXCEPT... when the dataset needs to be enlarged as part of the copy process. >In that case you get message ADR497E RC 102 Reason code FP-007 and "ERROR >OCCURRED WHILE DELETING UNCATALOGED DATA SET" and the copy for that dataset >fails. However, the dataset to be "overlaid" (if you will), is not the >dataset in use so DFDSS should have the ability to enlarge it and do the copy. > The only solution is to use the DFSMS special SAF authority to rename a >dataset in use (STGADMIN.DPDSRN.dsn_to_rename) to rename the "target" dataset >on the maintenance volume, then delete it, then rerun the copy job. This >could be very error prone if someone doesn't put in the correct volser on ISPF > and they could rename the "real" in use dataset or perhaps one on a different >sysres set. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Please vote this one up! > >Best Regards, > >Mark >-- >Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS >ITIL v3 Foundation Certified >mailto:[email protected] >Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
