> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 08:25:34 PM PDT, Steve Horein 
 > <steve.hor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The only time I have seen NIP messages (those messages prior to VARY

> CN(*),ACTIVATE being accepted) on a native MVS LPAR was when the NIP device


Hi Phil, Sorry for the long delay.but I had other things to do. Steve may have 
a possible solution. Let me put it into terms you can understand. 

Steve says there is 1 exception to the hardware console requiring V CN(*),ACT 
to become the first active console during IPL. He says if you disable all z/OS 
DEV(###) consoles, then the hardware console will automatically activate 
because there is no other console available. I believe this to be true but I 
have never tried this. There may be a couple caveats that can be discussed 
later if it solves your problem. 
 This is simple to test. From the z/OS VM user, detach all devices specified in 
PARMLIB(CONSOL##). At the moment, forget he mentions "NIP" device because this 
is almost always included in PARMLIB(CONSOL##) which means you would have 
detached it. This is so simple it's worth a try.
 


    On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 08:25:34 PM PDT, Steve Horein 
<steve.hor...@gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 The only time I have seen NIP messages (those messages prior to VARY
CN(*),ACTIVATE being accepted) on a native MVS LPAR was when the NIP device
defined in the IODF was not available, I believe due to some cabling
issues. In that situation, all NIP messages were routed to the SE/HMC
System Console. I had requested the NIP device be removed from IODF years
before, for that exact purpose, to assist with automation that uses
SYSCONS, and/or for diagnostics, but due to Fear/Uncertainty/Doubt, the
request was flatly denied.

https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.4.0?topic=system-nip-console
"If no NIP console is defined and ready, MVS™ will use the system console
as the NIP-time console."

I have zero experience with zVM, so I do not know if that NIP message
behavior is the same when MVS is running as a guest. I just figured I would
pass along my anecdotal observations.

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