>>450mill * 110 * 1.5 = 74250000000 = 69GB so maybe SORTWK01 - SORTWK10
Billy, Based on your above description, you would need about 1.345 million tracks of sortwk space if the sorting is to be done entirely using Disk space. >>//SORTWK01 DD UNIT=WORK,DSNTYPE=LARGE,SPACE=(CYL,(4000,1000)) It is highly unlikely that you have 10 SINGLE volumes that have 4000 cylinders of contiguous space. So I would reduce the primary to reasonable amount depending on your shop disk space availability. >>//SORTWK01 DD UNIT=(WORK,5)... and this will not work, is that right, Sri Kolusu? I would only get the first volume anyway? Well, you will NOT a JCL error or any DFSORT message as it would ONLY consider the FIRST volume. SORTWK space cannot span multiple volumes. Only the First volume is considered. Ideally, I would code up Dynamic Allocation and let DFSORT figure out how much disk space it needs. //SYSIN DD * OPTION DYNALLOC=(,16),MOSIZE=MAX SORT FIELDS=(P,M,F,X) /* This would allocate 16 + 2(reserve based on DYNAPCT=10) = 18 sortwk datasets along with setting the MOSIZE to max so that you get the max of 64 bit memory objects. If you know the esoteric name for disk pool space then you can specify on dynalloc parm. For example if you diskspace has an esoteric SYSWRK //SYSIN DD * OPTION DYNALLOC=(SYSWRK,16),MOSIZE=MAX SORT FIELDS=(P,M,F,X) /* >> If I have a COBOL program doing a SORT in the middle of the program (I am >> not sure if the big file is doing this, too or not), is using this DFSORT >> the best way to force the use of 15 Dynalloc SORTWK files, so I would not >> have to code SORTWK DD statements? Well if a COBOL program is passing the records then DFSORT has no ability of Calculating the filesize and hence you would receive ICE118I message. Generally, DFSORT can automatically determine the input file size. However, in a few cases, such as when an E15 supplies all of the input records, or when information about a tape data set is not available from a tape management system, DFSORT cannot determine an accurate file size. I believe you are using Cobol SORT key word to sort the data. In such cases you have to code DFSPARM along with dynamic allocation and the estimated file size, so that DFSORT can determine the size of the file that is being sorted. So something like this. I assumed that the size of the file to be sorted has 500 million (450 + 10% for future growth). //DFSPARM DD * OPTION DYNALLOC=(,16),MOSIZE=MAX, FILSZ=E500000000 /* Also make sure that your JCL has //SORTDIAG DD DUMMY Which will produce more diagnostic messages Thanks, Kolusu DFSORT Development IBM Corporation -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of Billy Ashton Sent: Monday, July 3, 2023 11:14 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: SORTWK space usage Thanks everyone - these are good recommendations. However, the guy who came to me first has a job that sorts 450 million records of 110 bytes, and I can't see how I could run SORT without specifying SORTWK DD statements. Are there special configuration options I can verify that we have in place to help my comfort level that I could eliminate SORTWK DD? If the programming team are not convinced, does this look right, based on the discussion - and based on a 100% Disk sort, which is not likely? 450mill * 110 * 1.5 = 74250000000 = 69GB so maybe SORTWK01 - SORTWK10 //SORTWK01 DD UNIT=WORK,DSNTYPE=LARGE,SPACE=(CYL,(4000,1000)) to //SORTWK10 DD UNIT=WORK,DSNTYPE=LARGE,SPACE=(CYL,(4000,1000)) and this will give me 4000 + (15*1000) on each, or 40000c primary + (up to 150 * 1000) secondary While we have been talking here, I have looked, and found some jobs with //SORTWK01 DD UNIT=(WORK,5)... and this will not work, is that right, Sri Kolusu? I would only get the first volume anyway? Thank you and best regards, Billy Ashton ------ Original Message ------ From "Farley, Peter" <0000031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu<mailto:0000031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>> To IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu<mailto:IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu> Date 7/3/2023 12:44:43 PM Subject Re: SORTWK space usage >I will add on to Sri's excellent answer with my very STRONG recommendation NOT >to use hard-coded SORTWK's in your JCL. Both of the major SORT vendors (IBM >and Syncsort) do a far, far better job of estimating necessary SORTWK space >and memory utilization than any human could hope to do. > >I also STRONGLY recommend that you give your JCL and program-controlled SORT >steps as much memory in the REGION parameter as your installation allows for >production and test jobs. Both of the major SORT programs will figure out how >much of that memory to use, whether and how much of it to use in the current >WLM environment, and will make VERY effective use of as much of it as they can >to cut down on SORT execution and elapsed time. Memory is (relatively) cheap, >don't be afraid to use all you've got available to shorten your SORT times. > >My basic advice is don't try to second-guess these very intelligent programs - >they each have more than half a century of practice and experience that none >of us can match, even those of us who have been around that long. > >Peter > >-----Original Message----- >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List ><IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU<mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU>> On >Behalf Of Sri h Kolusu >Sent: Monday, July 3, 2023 12:28 PM >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU<mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> >Subject: Re: SORTWK space usage > >>>I will only get the primary space of 5000 cylinders, and the other 14x2000 >>>cylinders is never used. Is that right? > >Billy, > >No. Incorrect. DFSORT will make use of BOTH primary and secondary space >allocations ( 1 primary + 15 Secondary) for a total of 16 extents. So if you >allocated 1 sortwk dataset with (CYL,(5000,2000)), then DFSORT would use 5000 >+ 15* 2000 = 5000 + 30000 = 35,000 cylinders. Also note that the secondary >extents will only come into picture ONLY when needed. > >>>Is there a written explanation I can forward to the programmers so they >>>understand this? >>>Also (since I know it will come), is there any good way to calculate how >>>much DASD sortwork would be used? I know this depends on what is in memory >>>at the time, but want to get a better handle on how Sort determines what it >>>needs. > >I would suggest that you use DFSORT's Dynamic Allocation as it will allocate >the required workspace optimally rather than programmers calculating it. The >reason is you don't want to change the allocation every time there is an >increase/decrease in the number of records to be sorted. > >Having said that, here is a general formula that you want to use. > >The amount of sortwk space required depends on the size of the file. It >usually ranges from 1.3X to 1.8X of the size of the file to be sorted >depending on the sorting path that DFSORT chose. > >Filesize = Number of records * Avg length of the record ( for Fixed >length RECFM=F or FB , it is the LRECL value, or RECFM=V or RECFM=VB is >the average length of the record) > >However, that range is applicable ONLY when the entire file is being sorted >using Disk workspace. DFSORT has the capability of using memory (real and >auxiliary storage) and if it runs out of it, it will then use disk workspace. > > >Thanks, >Kolusu >-- > >This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the >addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 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