As an old timer, having worked for 46+ years, I well remember the good old 
Personal department. They were always very helpful and more importantly took 
responsibility to resolve/address the issue/problem I had raised. Then came 
along the Human Resources department. They never took responsibility, failed to 
address the issue and 'closed' it by just quoting the rules from the employees 
or the managers handbook. During a meeting (town hall for the US folks) which I 
attended, held by HR for PR purposes, got the same old BS from them. I publicly 
suggested to the HR managers that the 'value' we got from their department the 
more appropriate name for HR would be department of Human Remains. At least it 
generated a great applause from the 100+ attendees.

Regards

Parwez Hamid​
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on behalf of Bob 
Bridges <[email protected]>
Sent: 13 June 2023 14:04
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Mainframe help now available!

Regarding your first paragraph: To be fair to the "Human Resources" moniker, 
the point when it first became chic was to remind the Personnel department that 
people, too, are important to the organization.  We don't abuse computers or 
desks, we don't waste pens or typewriter ribbons, we ought to treat the human 
beings too as valuable.

Regarding your second: A change in terminology doesn't by itself fix an 
underlying problem.  "HR" became the new word for "Personnel", but a company, 
to survive, still has to spend as little as possible and produce as much as 
possible.  And the centralized HR folks can never understand your value as well 
as your boss can...even if your boss can't.

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Bob Bridges, [email protected], cell 336 382-7313

/* [Infant Sophie is] exploring her environment, as her brain learns to perform 
the incredibly complex set of functions we call human thought ("Maybe THIS will 
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-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Tom 
Brennan
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 20:42

When things like the "Project Management Office" became common in maybe the 
late 1990's where I worked, they called us Resources.  I remember writing a 
note back saying I'm not a lump of coal or even a vein of gold.

The real problem though, was like you mentioned, they treated us as a simple 
headcount.  That didn't work because it might take 10 of me to do the work of 
(for example) one good CICS person, if I can figure it out at all.

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