That's it! Thanks for the reminder.
On 2/21/2023 12:29 PM, Pommier, Rex wrote:
I believe SMIT gave that option and I have often wished there was a similar
function on z/OS with ISPF panels.
Rex
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I forgot what system it was (maybe a panel system on AIX?) where you can run
through the panel selections checking various options, but with the ability to
show the final command issued. I'm pretty sure things like RACF, RMM, and some
other ISPF dialogs just issue TSO commands under the covers, but is there an
option to see those commands?
On 2/21/2023 9:47 AM, David Spiegel wrote:
Hi Doug,
I consider relying on ISPF Panels *solely* negative, especially when
SysProgs should learn the Command Line, in particular for RACF Commands.
This is a sign of laziness.
I've also been in jobs where I maintained/added to ISPF Applications
to e.g. create a z/OS Clone, where the user fills in the "from" and "to"
DASD addresses and the ISPF application does the rest.
BTW, I am referring negatively to people who rely upon ISPF Panels
*and* have never heard of CBT.
There is no need to get offended.
Regards,
David
On 2023-02-21 12:13, Doug wrote:
So David, you consider using ISPF panels a net negative? I used to
write dialogs for anything repetitive that I or anyone else had to do.
Never thought it was bad if "people in charge are by-the-book
mentality and I can imagine them using ISPF Panels for everything
from RACF to SMP/e." Especially when I was the person in charge. And
I knew what the CBT tape was and is....
Doug Fuerst
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Hi Brian,
You said: "...so why would they question my use of anything I need
in order to perform my job efficiently? ..."
My answer is that the people in charge are by-the-book mentality and
I can imagine them using ISPF Panels for everything from RACF to SMP/e.
(At one of my jobs, the MVS Team Lead said : "CBT??? ... never heard
of it" (This guy has been an MVS Systems Programmer for more than 30
years.))
These same people eschew creativity in any form, because, they're
scared due to ignorance.
Regards,
David
On 2023-02-21 00:31, Brian Westerman wrote:
I think that's a pretty invalid point. I don't see anyone
questioning how to write an exit or install a new system, or use
SMPe, so why would they question my use of anything I need in order
to perform my job efficiently?
Maybe it's just that they all assume I must know what I'm doing.
If they didn't believe that, I doubt they would have asked me to do
the project.
Brian
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