With all due respect, and I do have great respect for you Brian, you do have a 
great deal of experience in this kind of work. So, a day or so after you get 
access (and I assume you've acquired a number of tools) it is entirely possible 
that you would be up to speed.
I do agree with you that the first hurdle would how rapidly the new guy gets 
and what level of access they are allowed.

I think there are several other variables as to how rapidly a given newly hired 
yet experienced sysprog learns the ropes at a new site. From what I have 
observed here on the list, sites vary quite a bit. 

Personally, I would need a little longer. But, I've only worked at the one 
site, even if it was for 40 years. The thing is, I've forgotten more than I 
know at any given time. Almost always had to move to the next issue before any 
true expertise settled in. It was usually easier the next time a task or need 
rolled around, but since it was my site, I knew where I’d last left the tools 
and bread crumbs

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> I completely agree with one day.  You should be productive by then, as for
> learning all of the sites naming conventions, procedures and standards, you
> would pick them up as you go.  I have found that by the end of the first
> week, I typically know more about how things are "supposed" to be
> managed than the people that are currently employed there. :)
> 
> That assumes that everyone knows you are coming in and is prepared for
> you to be there.  Things like getting an ID and a place to sit and 
> instructions
> for VPN's and connections.  Those things typically should be done before
> your first day at the site, but unfortunately it rarely happens that way.  So 
> I
> should say that it's about a day after you can actually log onto the system.
> 
> Brian
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