Bingo. Exactly what I meant. We ran batch and still were available 24 by 7.
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, June 19, 2022, 12:04 PM, Don Leahy <[email protected]> wrote: Running batch does not preclude 24x7 online availability. On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 09:44 Bill Johnson < [email protected]> wrote: > People still run batch on the mainframe? The ING CEO needs replaced. Last > shop I worked at we ran very little batch. Because as a health insurance > company, we needed to have 24 by 7 by 365 online availability or patients > die. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Sunday, June 19, 2022, 2:36 AM, David Crayford <[email protected]> > wrote: > > On 19/06/2022 5:23 am, Enzo D'Amato wrote: > > I also agree, but as a non-insider, I wanted to know what others were > thinking. I also belive that in most cases, the effort spent trying to get > off the mainframe would be better spent actually fixing the code running on > it in the first place. Moving around broken code doesn't automatically fix > it. > > It's not just about fixing broken code. If you read the ING CIO's > remarks about why they wanted off the mainframe it's not about the > platform. Nobody denies that mainframes are insanely brilliant hardware > platforms. ING wanted to get rid of batch and move towards an event > driven architecture using pub/sub where they can easily deploy loosely > coupled micro-services to provide cutting edge products. The technology > stacks are built on open source such as Kafka, MongoDB, Cassandra, NiFi, > Avro etc. The retail banking industry has been disrupted by fintechs so > waiting for an overnight batch schedule for settlements is a competitive > disadvantage. Cracking open and modernizing 50-60 year old COBOL batch > applications is a VERY heavy lift. > > https://www.theregister.com/2016/07/01/ing_mainframe_strategy/ <- read > the comments section. It's hilarious :) > > The doubly whammy is there's a skills crisis slowly unraveling. In the > last year we've had 3 key resources move to 3 day weeks with a view to > retiring. Replacing highly skilled assembler programmers with deep > subsystem knowledge is proving to be difficult. Young people don't want > to learn HLASM as they consider it a dead-end. Their position is "why > invest 3-4 years learning a language that is useless if you move to > another industry?" I can't comment about COBOL application developers. > > In 10 years time I expect the mainframe to be alive and kicking and > significantly modernized. The small/medium shops will probably be all > gone. When I first moved to my current town in 1998 there were 25-30 > mainframe sites. Now there are 3 and 1 is on life support. One of our > customers re-platformed their CICS/COBOL/Batch applications from a z9 to > a single blade server. It doesn't make any sense financially for a small > site to run a mainframe. > > https://www.itnews.com.au/news/wa-insurance-commission-decommissions-mainframe-322780 > > > > > Get BlueMail for Android<https://bluemail.me> > > On Jun 18, 2022, at 5:13 PM, Charles Mills <[email protected]<mailto: > [email protected]>> wrote: > > > > I always like the stories about the companies that are in the eighth > year of > > a three-year project to get off the mainframe. > > > > Enzo, my friend, you have just kicked the hornets' nest! You had better > > duck, because the onslaught is coming. "The mainframe is [not] dead" is > near > > and dear to the hearts of IBM-MAINers. > > > > Yes, I think the consensus is that the mainframe has a future. IBM seems > to > > be focused mainly on the very largest shops, so the trend seems to be > bigger > > and bigger machines at fewer and fewer companies. But it is hard to > envision > > Bank of America balancing their checking accounts every day on an array > of > > Windows servers, in their datacenter or in the cloud. My reading of the > tea > > leaves -- I am not an insider -- is that for a long time IBM was *saying* > > the mainframe was here to stay but internally they did not believe it and > > were not making decisions on that basis -- but I think that has now > changed. > > IBM appears to have made a HUGE investment in the z16, an investment that > > will take more than 5 or more years to recoup. > > > > Welcome aboard! > > > > Charles > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On > > Behalf Of Enzo D'Amato > > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 1:56 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: Modernize Mainframe Applications for Hybrid Cloud with IBM > and > > AWS > > > > As someone who is new to this field, and hasn't been though a wave of > "the > > mainframe is going away" yet, will there still be companies running the > > mainframe 5 or 10 years down the line? Also, when I read about companies > > trying to get off of the mainframe, how often do these efforts end up > > succeeding? > > ________________________________ > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on > behalf of > > Mike Schwab <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 12:04 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: Modernize Mainframe Applications for Hybrid Cloud with IBM > and > > AWS > > > > Moshix signed up for an AWS instance, loaded up Hercules and Turnkey > > 4-, got it going, and allowed some other people to log in. > > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 8:31 AM Bill Johnson > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Cloud - Something the mainframe has been doing for decades. We called it > > outsourcing. GM ran their entire organization out of mainframes in > > Charlotte, Dallas, & perhaps another in the 80's. The internet just made > it > > easier, and less secure & reliable. Brought outsourcing to a wider > audience. > > > > Mainframe modernization. An oxymoron. Like saying today's cars are like > > cars from 50 years ago. The mainframe is more advanced than any other > > platforms. Billions of dollars of investment and patented technologies > have > > guaranteed its place for decades to come. > > > > Sure, AWS, Azure, Oracle cloud & numerous others are creating cheap, > > unsecured, unreliable, platforms for small businesses, picture storage, > > emails, instant messaging, and many other tasks that aren't show > stoppers if > > they're hacked or down for one of many reasons. As Capital One found out > and > > lost almost 200 million for the pleasure. > > > > I enjoy the glee that many of you exude when IBM has what might be > > perceived as negative news. I saw the same glee when in the 90's some > idiot > > said the mainframe would be history circa 2000. > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > > > On Friday, June 17, 2022, 9:06 AM, zMan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 5:50 AM David Crayford <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > Maybe it's the case that customers don't want to use IBMs cloud. Where I > > live in Australia the big four banks are moving significant chunks of > > their infrastructure to public cloud and have government legislation to > > do so. NAB in particular have been quite aggressive, although like most > > sensible enterprises they have gone down the multi-cloud route with > > Microsoft Azure so they don't have all their eggs in one basket. > > > > It will be interesting to see if IBM can close the cloud gap. Playing > > catch-up is difficult when competing with behemoths with a decade+ head > > start. > > > > > > Indeed. Word from insiders is that since IBM "management" have decided > > cloud is The Answer, folks have started playing games, like attributing > > all > > CICS-related revenue as "cloud". Q4 2020, IBM claimed $6.2B in cloud > > revenue on total revenue of $16B. Given that nobody EVER says"cloud" and > > "IBM" in the same sentence in the real world, those numbers are quite > > difficult to believe without this kind of gameplaying. > > > > ________________________________ > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > -- > > Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA > > Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? > > > > ________________________________ > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > ________________________________ > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > ________________________________ > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
