If it was a 4245 printer, those things were built like tanks.  I was messing 
around with a golf club (I don't golf) and swung it, not realizing the amount 
of force they have in front of the printer and smacked the door - hard.  Didn't 
even dent the thing.  I was relieved.

Rex

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of 
carl swanson
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 12:13 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: EXTERNAL: Re: What not to do on a z/OS system...

        Many years ago the 3rd shift computer operator was having issues with 
the 5245 (I believe) printer. After the printer jamming numerous times he had 
it with the printer and instead of addressing the issue, he took out his hand 
gun and shot it a single time. Only damaged the cover and not the printer but 
operations management did not challenge him on this. 

Carl Swanson
[email protected]

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bob 
Bridges
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 11:01 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: What not to do on a z/OS system...

People often say "times have changed" when what's actually changed is a 
fashion.  I'm not saying more fundamental issues never change, but it's well to 
keep the distinction in mind, and to know which is which.  Just sayin'.

---
Bob Bridges, [email protected], cell 336 382-7313

/* Being famous has its benefits, but fame isn't one of them.  -Larry Wall */

-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of 
Phil Smith III
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 00:15

Indeed. Yet so many "production" systems (non-Z) don't take that approach, yet 
get away with it. Oh, that e-commerce website is down for a half-hour/day/week? 
That helpdesk is offline because someone pulled a cable (to get back to Matt's 
post)? No big deal.

I don't get it. Are we wrong? Are they wrong? It's easy to be purist, but have 
times changed?? I like to think not, but the evidence seems otherwise in so 
many cases.

--- Shmuel wrote:
>Asking "what can possible go wrong?" is good. Believing that nothing 
>can go
wrong is suicidal.

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