Right, they’re all kept under wraps in a world where privacy is next to 
impossible. And what you heard (suddenly not under wraps) isn’t what happened 
with  Logica. 
If your kid drops his key, and someone uses it to enter a house, that’s not a 
break in.
60-70 years and all you’ve got is a few non hacks to feed your hatred of IBM 
and the mainframe.


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On Thursday, October 7, 2021, 5:18 PM, Charles Mills <[email protected]> wrote:

The one I am privately aware of I did not work on and is four years (?) in the 
past. It was a US government system.

There are varying versions of the Logica story. The one I read in the police 
report and accept as factual involved the exploitation of a flaw in a Web 
browser running on z/OS UNIX. They used that to utterly take over the machine, 
issuing multiple userids and making them SPECIAL and so forth. They installed 
their own login server to make things easier for themselves. I would call that 
a mainframe breach.

I think a focus on "was it a real hack" is a mistake. If your senior systems 
programmer writes his password on the back of his business card and 
accidentally leaves it in a bar, that is not a "real hack" but your data is 
just as much at risk as if it were. The focus should be on vulnerabilities (in 
that case, lack of MFA and lack of user education) not "was it a real hack?"

If your teenaged son dropped his housekey in your driveway and someone used it 
to come in and steal your TV, would you say "that was not a real burglary"?

At best you can't say mainframe hacks have never happened, you can only say you 
don't know of any. There is a well-known tendency for shops not to discuss. 
(Nor for that matter can one assert unequivocally that they have; only that 
there are none that are well-documented.)

Charles


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Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 3:59 PM
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Subject: Re: Mainframe ransomware solution

Logica isn’t actually a hack. And of course the phantom one you’re working on. 

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