The sale to Lenovo was in 2005; the consent decree was by then irrelevant. IBM was losing market share.
-- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on behalf of Bill Johnson <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 12:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: PC market (was IBM splitting into two companies) I’m not talking about the exit from selling PC’s. (Lenovo dale) I’m talking about the lawsuit the US government filed in 1969 and was settled in the early 80’s that forced IBM out of the PC market (software & hardware) that they dominated at the time. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 12:09 PM, R.S. <[email protected]> wrote: W dniu 11.10.2020 o 16:36, Robin Vowels pisze: > On 2020-10-12 00:57, Bill Johnson wrote: >> So market cap is now the determining factor for the best companies? >> Here’s the 1980 list of market cap leaders. Had IBM not been forced >> out of the PC market, I’d bet IBM would still be at or near the top, >> and MSFT wouldn’t be. > > "Forced out". I think not. > IBM gave up that market. IBM usually exit from "commodity" markets. Is it good idea - I don't know, but they simply don't want to compete on retail sales, promotions and other. And honestly - what about PC parket? Who is the winner? When you go to the shopping mall you will find - yes, still Lenovo, HP, some Dell. Toshiba. But also a lot of Asus, MSI, Huawei, Hiro, Gigabyte, Acer, Kiano, Terra, Samsung, LG, DreamMachines and other companies. I'm sorry, but this business went to Eastern Asia. Like steel and shipyard. Oh, BTW - my Dell machine came from Łódź (this is my city, I visited the factory). Maybe it's not far east, but it is still cheaper than Ireland. 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