This might be a case of using the RACF VTAMAPPL class and only granting access 
to your helpdesk folks to the TSO APPL's and not the CICS Appls.
You'd get more expert advice from the RACF-L if you wanted

Jerry Whitteridge
jerry.whitteri...@albertsons.com
Manager Mainframe Systems & HP Non-Stop
Albertsons Companies

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McCabe, Ron
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Subject: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Keeping TSO users our of CICS

Hello IBM Listers,

Got an interesting problem that I would like to know how we can avoid.  Our 
Help Desk users TSO accounts have the SPECIAL ATTRIBUTE so they can reset 
passwords and define new users.  These TSO accounts are not defined to CICS but 
every once in awhile one of them will try to login to CICS using their TSO 
account and after messing up their password 3 times the system puts out an 
ICH302D message asking if we want to REVOKE them or let them try again (we 
REVOKE), this message waits for a reply and while it is waiting CICS hangs 
until a reply is given.  We thought about defining their TSO accounts to CICS 
but that does not help if they actually do mess up their password.  We thought 
we could do it with RACF but RACF doesn't check any authorization until "after" 
the user successfully signs on so we would still get the ICH302D message.

Does anyone else run into this problem?  Is there a way we can get around this 
problem?  We thought about having MSGTABLE do an automated response but there 
could be times when we don't want to have the user REVOKED.

Thanks,
Ron McCabe
Manager of Mainframe/Midrange Systems
Mutual of Enumclaw


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