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-----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jesse 1 Robinson Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 10:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... ) As a Californian, I have a special affection for gold miners. The older I get, the more I resemble the dusty old sourdough who ventures into town periodically to replenish his supply of flour and grease. Most of the time his labor produces nothing, but he has to dig anyway just in case. I feel that way about some email threads. Worst case is *not* the bottom posters, where I can at least scroll all way down for this sage's innovations. The worst is the 'context poster' who sprinkles insights here and there as they seem relevant to the conversation, where the task of reading and understanding is compounded by a format that hides the nuggets among the tailings. It's especially irksome when the nuggets turn out to be fool's gold or worse yet, gilded crap. No one hankers to be a crap miner. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 7:13 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... ) CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL The point being that they were using a standard for type of communications, usenet, and trying to apply it to another form of communication, email. For me, the second I see a bottom post, is the same second I close the email and go to the next in my inbox. Tony Thigpen Seymour J Metz wrote on 6/13/20 8:09 PM: >> their "so called" standard was for newsgroups, not email > > RFC 2646, RFC 3676 > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > ________________________________________ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on > behalf of Tony Thigpen [t...@vse2pdf.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 4:13 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... ) > > > Wait - is bottom-posting a thing? > > YES! The old newsgroup specification said bottom-posting was required. > > Back when I started using Thunderbird as an email client (around > 2002?), TB forced you to bottom-post and it took a special hidden > option to allow top-posting. And, it did not really work right if > using a text file signature line. There was a *BIG* argument between > the users (wanting top-posting) and the developers saying > bottom-posting was a published standard). It took years (10+) before the > developers gave in. > > Also, back in those days, it was clearly pointed out to the developers > that their "so called" standard was for newsgroups, not email but they > were stuck deep in their "we know what is right" mode. They also > ignored the fact that Outlook had been using top-posting for years and > around that time Outlook was the most used email client and had really > become more of the standard. > > I bet we all know programmers that "know better than us". (Or, should > I be looking in a mirror?) :-) > > Tony Thigpen > > Bob Bridges wrote on 6/13/20 1:46 PM: >> Wait - is bottom-posting a thing? I've always assumed that bottom-posters >> are just careless; they read down to a certain point, and then type in their >> responses without thinking about where. Are you saying that some people >> post at the bottom ON PURPOSE?! >> >> Why, for heaven's sake? >> >> --- >> Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
